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Weapons the Ukraine war is proving obsolete

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  • George KG George K

    The footage of small drones dropping improvised explosives on enemy troop positions shows how things have changed.

    Imagine, 50, no 15 years ago, being able to pilot a small aircraft across enemy lines, virtually unseen, and then drop a few grenades onto the enemy?

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      @Jolly

      I agree with your comments. It is not so much the weapons becoming obsolete as the manner in which they are deployed. In this case the Russians are slow or incapable of adapting tactics and deployment to counter the new technology at Ukraine’s disposal. Essentially they are still fighting the last war they were in and coming up far short.

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      @Renauda said in Weapons the Ukraine war is proving obsolete:

      the Russians are slow or incapable of adapting tactics and deployment to counter

      This has been the problem from Day 1. Top-down command with no understanding of what's happening in the field.

      I posted a story about Theodore Roosevelt's son and how he commanded troops in Normandy. He landed at the wrong place.

      No problem, "The war starts HERE."

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        And aren't we grateful for their ineptitude.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          And aren't we grateful for their ineptitude.

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          @Mik

          Well, if we’re not the Ukrainians certainly are.

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            It certainly takes the teeth out of their nuclear threat. Likely to detonate on the launchpad.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              It certainly takes the teeth out of their nuclear threat. Likely to detonate on the launchpad.

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              @Mik

              That’s a game of very high stakes. Do we want to cross that threshold unless there are no other options?

              Elbows up!

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                Of course not.

                But it is hard to imagine they would be so bad conventionally and precise with nukes.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  Of course not.

                  But it is hard to imagine they would be so bad conventionally and precise with nukes.

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                  @Mik

                  I think you mean suicidal with nukes.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Of course not.

                    But it is hard to imagine they would be so bad conventionally and precise with nukes.

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                    @Mik said in Weapons the Ukraine war is proving obsolete:

                    Of course not.

                    But it is hard to imagine they would be so bad conventionally and precise with nukes.

                    Don't have to be precise. Soviet targeting systems were never quite as good, but they had more throw weight.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Mik said in Weapons the Ukraine war is proving obsolete:

                      Of course not.

                      But it is hard to imagine they would be so bad conventionally and precise with nukes.

                      Don't have to be precise. Soviet targeting systems were never quite as good, but they had more throw weight.

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                      @Jolly

                      By the Reagan era throw weight really didn’t factor into the nuclear arms control equation owing the greater accuracy of MIRV weapons with smaller warheads of 150KT. Throw weight was bandied about more for public consumption as it was easier to explain than the Circular Error Probable (CEP) of Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle or MIRVed warheads. It really didn’t matter that the Russian weapon systems making up the MIRVs had more mass. Rather it was that the Soviets had a lot of them and their accuracy or CEP was improving over time.

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