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  • T taiwan_girl
    12 Aug 2022, 13:32

    Policitcs in the US is like a pendulum, even in the Democrat and Republic parties.

    Democrats go too far to the left - people vote republican and the deomcrats realize their mistake and move closert to the center for a while.

    Republicans go too far to the right - people vote Democrat and the republicans realize their mistake and move closer to the center for a while.

    Both parties eventually forget that and the pendulum swings too far again and the cycle repeats.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 13:53 last edited by
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    @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

    Policitcs in the US is like a pendulum, even in the Democrat and Republic parties.

    Democrats go too far to the left - people vote republican and the deomcrats realize their mistake and move closert to the center for a while.

    Republicans go too far to the right - people vote Democrat and the republicans realize their mistake and move closer to the center for a while.

    Both parties eventually forget that and the pendulum swings too far again and the cycle repeats.

    True, but are the Trump policies too far right?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

    T 1 Reply Last reply 12 Aug 2022, 14:23
    • J Jolly
      12 Aug 2022, 13:53

      @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

      Policitcs in the US is like a pendulum, even in the Democrat and Republic parties.

      Democrats go too far to the left - people vote republican and the deomcrats realize their mistake and move closert to the center for a while.

      Republicans go too far to the right - people vote Democrat and the republicans realize their mistake and move closer to the center for a while.

      Both parties eventually forget that and the pendulum swings too far again and the cycle repeats.

      True, but are the Trump policies too far right?

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:23 last edited by
      #4

      @Jolly Good question. I think so, but not really sure.

      I will ask you this. How do you think President Trumps policies are vs. previous Republican presidents? I think you have a pretty good historical mind and would have a good idea

      To the left or right of:

      Bush jr.?
      Bush sr.?
      Reagan?
      Ford?
      Nixon?
      Eisenhower?
      etc

      If you believe that he is to the right of them all, then yes, probably President Trump is too far right.

      J 1 Reply Last reply 12 Aug 2022, 14:27
      • T taiwan_girl
        12 Aug 2022, 14:23

        @Jolly Good question. I think so, but not really sure.

        I will ask you this. How do you think President Trumps policies are vs. previous Republican presidents? I think you have a pretty good historical mind and would have a good idea

        To the left or right of:

        Bush jr.?
        Bush sr.?
        Reagan?
        Ford?
        Nixon?
        Eisenhower?
        etc

        If you believe that he is to the right of them all, then yes, probably President Trump is too far right.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:27 last edited by
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        @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

        @Jolly Good question. I think so, but not really sure.

        I will ask you this. How do you think President Trumps policies are vs. previous Republican presidents? I think you have a pretty good historical mind and would have a good idea

        To the left or right of:

        Bush jr.?
        Bush sr.?
        Reagan?
        Ford?
        Nixon?
        Eisenhower?
        etc

        If you believe that he is to the right of them all, then yes, probably President Trump is too far right.

        What do you think?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

        T 1 Reply Last reply 12 Aug 2022, 14:39
        • J Jolly
          12 Aug 2022, 14:27

          @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

          @Jolly Good question. I think so, but not really sure.

          I will ask you this. How do you think President Trumps policies are vs. previous Republican presidents? I think you have a pretty good historical mind and would have a good idea

          To the left or right of:

          Bush jr.?
          Bush sr.?
          Reagan?
          Ford?
          Nixon?
          Eisenhower?
          etc

          If you believe that he is to the right of them all, then yes, probably President Trump is too far right.

          What do you think?

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:39 last edited by
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          @Jolly I dont know enough about the older Republicans, but my initial thought would be

          Bush Jr - Trump to the right
          Bush sr. - Trump to the right
          Reagan - Trump to the right
          Ford - Trump to the right
          Nixon - ?? right on some things, left on others, probably slightly to the right overall
          Eisenhower - ?? No idea
          Hoover (is the next?) - dont know. Would have to study

          J 1 Reply Last reply 12 Aug 2022, 14:49
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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes 8 Dec 2022, 14:46
            #7

            It's not necessarily the policies that make Trump stand out, but the words and tactics he uses.

            For example, many of us think that illegal immigration is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. Many of us don't believe that it's necessary to pander to racists when describing the kind of people that come here illegally.

            I was only joking

            R 1 Reply Last reply 13 Aug 2022, 16:05
            • T taiwan_girl
              12 Aug 2022, 14:39

              @Jolly I dont know enough about the older Republicans, but my initial thought would be

              Bush Jr - Trump to the right
              Bush sr. - Trump to the right
              Reagan - Trump to the right
              Ford - Trump to the right
              Nixon - ?? right on some things, left on others, probably slightly to the right overall
              Eisenhower - ?? No idea
              Hoover (is the next?) - dont know. Would have to study

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              Jolly
              wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:49 last edited by
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              @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

              @Jolly I dont know enough about the older Republicans, but my initial thought would be

              Bush Jr - Trump to the right
              Bush sr. - Trump to the right
              Reagan - Trump to the right
              Ford - Trump to the right
              Nixon - ?? right on some things, left on others, probably slightly to the right overall
              Eisenhower - ?? No idea
              Hoover (is the next?) - dont know. Would have to study

              Trump's policies are not to the right of Reagan, Nixon or 41. I think he is to the right of Eisenhower and Ford. 43? I'm not sure.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

              T 1 Reply Last reply 12 Aug 2022, 14:53
              • J Jolly
                12 Aug 2022, 14:49

                @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

                @Jolly I dont know enough about the older Republicans, but my initial thought would be

                Bush Jr - Trump to the right
                Bush sr. - Trump to the right
                Reagan - Trump to the right
                Ford - Trump to the right
                Nixon - ?? right on some things, left on others, probably slightly to the right overall
                Eisenhower - ?? No idea
                Hoover (is the next?) - dont know. Would have to study

                Trump's policies are not to the right of Reagan, Nixon or 41. I think he is to the right of Eisenhower and Ford. 43? I'm not sure.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:53 last edited by
                #9

                @Jolly said in The Shrinking List:

                @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

                @Jolly I dont know enough about the older Republicans, but my initial thought would be

                Bush Jr - Trump to the right
                Bush sr. - Trump to the right
                Reagan - Trump to the right
                Ford - Trump to the right
                Nixon - ?? right on some things, left on others, probably slightly to the right overall
                Eisenhower - ?? No idea
                Hoover (is the next?) - dont know. Would have to study

                Trump's policies are not to the right of Reagan, Nixon or 41. I think he is to the right of Eisenhower and Ford. 43? I'm not sure.

                The reason I put President Trump to the right of President Reagan was the President Reagan had a much more open world view, while President Trump is much isolation view.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:58 last edited by
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                  Protectionism isn't a conservative policy.

                  I was only joking

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                  • T taiwan_girl
                    12 Aug 2022, 14:53

                    @Jolly said in The Shrinking List:

                    @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

                    @Jolly I dont know enough about the older Republicans, but my initial thought would be

                    Bush Jr - Trump to the right
                    Bush sr. - Trump to the right
                    Reagan - Trump to the right
                    Ford - Trump to the right
                    Nixon - ?? right on some things, left on others, probably slightly to the right overall
                    Eisenhower - ?? No idea
                    Hoover (is the next?) - dont know. Would have to study

                    Trump's policies are not to the right of Reagan, Nixon or 41. I think he is to the right of Eisenhower and Ford. 43? I'm not sure.

                    The reason I put President Trump to the right of President Reagan was the President Reagan had a much more open world view, while President Trump is much isolation view.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 14:59 last edited by
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                    @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

                    @Jolly said in The Shrinking List:

                    @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

                    @Jolly I dont know enough about the older Republicans, but my initial thought would be

                    Bush Jr - Trump to the right
                    Bush sr. - Trump to the right
                    Reagan - Trump to the right
                    Ford - Trump to the right
                    Nixon - ?? right on some things, left on others, probably slightly to the right overall
                    Eisenhower - ?? No idea
                    Hoover (is the next?) - dont know. Would have to study

                    Trump's policies are not to the right of Reagan, Nixon or 41. I think he is to the right of Eisenhower and Ford. 43? I'm not sure.

                    The reason I put President Trump to the right of President Reagan was the President Reagan had a much more open world view, while President Trump is much isolation view.

                    If you have a certain destination in mind, whether you travel left or right to get there, depends on where you start. I think Reagan and Trump had different starting points. It doesn't necessarily indicate a different destination.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 15:06 last edited by
                      #12

                      @Jolly I would be curious to know why you think President Reagan was to the right of President Trump

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                      • T taiwan_girl
                        12 Aug 2022, 15:06

                        @Jolly I would be curious to know why you think President Reagan was to the right of President Trump

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 12 Aug 2022, 16:58 last edited by
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                        @taiwan_girl said in The Shrinking List:

                        @Jolly I would be curious to know why you think President Reagan was to the right of President Trump

                        The 11 Principles:

                        https://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/03/03/the-11-principles-of-a-reagan-conservative

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          12 Aug 2022, 14:45

                          It's not necessarily the policies that make Trump stand out, but the words and tactics he uses.

                          For example, many of us think that illegal immigration is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. Many of us don't believe that it's necessary to pander to racists when describing the kind of people that come here illegally.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 16:05 last edited by Renauda
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                          @Doctor-Phibes

                          It's not necessarily the policies that make Trump stand out, but the words and tactics he uses.

                          Somehow that aspect gets lost or conveniently excused in the squelch surrounding Trump’s self promoted greatness.

                          Elbows up!

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