Burn Pit Bill blocked ...
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The measure is the culmination of years of work by advocates to improve health care and benefits for veterans suffering injuries from burn pit smoke, Agent Orange spraying and other military contaminant exposure. It has been widely celebrated as a potential landmark legislative victory in veterans policy.The measure passed the Senate by a comfortable 84-14 vote in early June, and by a 342-88 vote in the House two weeks ago with significant Republican support.
But on Wednesday, after technical corrections sent the measure back to the Senate for another procedural vote, 41 Senate Republicans blocked the measure, leaving its future uncertain.
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The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
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The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
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@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
It’s like you want to start a serious discussion with the implication that one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t. Would you care to make an attempt at explaining the motivations in a way a child wouldn’t be able to see through?
Education is extremely important.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”?
Ax, in that same article you posted, it described that the legislation was almost good to go but for some technical issues, "But the block came just as Democratic leaders announced plans for a comprehensive budget reconciliation measure — a plan that
the GOP caucus previously pledged to oppose, 
including increased efforts to snarl normal business in the chamber."And:
"Eight Senate Republicans . . . voted for moving ahead with the bill."
Details on the last-minute Dem add-on: "Officials said the plan would spend about $369 billion on energy and climate initiatives and $64 billion to extend expiring federal subsidies for people buying health insurance.
"It would also raise $739 billion in revenue over 10 years, the biggest chunk coming from a 15% corporate minimum tax."
So if this article is accurate, it looks like everything was ironed out and on the way to the White House for signature, and then the Democrats pulled a fast one and FUBAR'd it. And then whined about the GOP "act of cowardice" and using veterans as a "bargaining chip".
Apparently the Republicans warned the Democrats, don't do it, and the Democrats did, and the Republicans withdrew their support -- just as they warned.
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@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”?
Ax, in that same article you posted, it described that the legislation was almost good to go but for some technical issues, "But the block came just as Democratic leaders announced plans for a comprehensive budget reconciliation measure — a plan that
the GOP caucus previously pledged to oppose, including increased efforts to snarl normal business in the chamber."And:
"Eight Senate Republicans . . . voted for moving ahead with the bill."
Details on the last-minute Dem add-on: "Officials said the plan would spend about $369 billion on energy and climate initiatives and $64 billion to extend expiring federal subsidies for people buying health insurance.
"It would also raise $739 billion in revenue over 10 years, the biggest chunk coming from a 15% corporate minimum tax."
So if this article is accurate, it looks like everything was ironed out and on the way to the White House for signature, and then the Democrats pulled a fast one and FUBAR'd it. And then whined about the GOP "act of cowardice" and using veterans as a "bargaining chip".
Apparently the Republicans warned the Democrats, don't do it, and the Democrats did, and the Republicans withdrew their support -- just as they warned.
@Catseye3 said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”?
Ax, in that same article you posted, it described that the legislation was almost good to go but for some technical issues, "But the block came just as Democratic leaders announced plans for a comprehensive budget reconciliation measure — a plan that
the GOP caucus previously pledged to oppose, including increased efforts to snarl normal business in the chamber."And:
"Eight Senate Republicans . . . voted for moving ahead with the bill."
Details on the last-minute Dem add-on: "Officials said the plan would spend about $369 billion on energy and climate initiatives and $64 billion to extend expiring federal subsidies for people buying health insurance.
"It would also raise $739 billion in revenue over 10 years, the biggest chunk coming from a 15% corporate minimum tax."
So if this article is accurate, it looks like everything was ironed out and on the way to the White House for signature, and then the Democrats pulled a fast one and FUBAR'd it. And then whined about the GOP "act of cowardice" and using veterans as a "bargaining chip".
Apparently the Republicans warned the Democrats, don't do it, and the Democrats did, and the Republicans withdrew their support -- just as they warned.
What you quoted, the Democrats are talking about a different, separate bill (see this other thread on Manchin’s New Deal), not adding anything new onto the burn pit bill.
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@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
It’s like you want to start a serious discussion with the implication that one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t. Would you care to make an attempt at explaining the motivations in a way a child wouldn’t be able to see through?
@Horace said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
It’s like you want to start a serious discussion with the implication that one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t. Would you care to make an attempt at explaining the motivations in a way a child wouldn’t be able to see through?
“Serious discussion” and “one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t” are not mutually exclusive. A “serious discussion” may entail talking about “one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t”. A discussion about “one political side cares more about military burn victims, and one doesn’t” can indeed be a serious one. If a child is sufficiently astute to see both, why should one deliberately obfuscate either from the child?
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@Horace said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
It’s like you want to start a serious discussion with the implication that one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t. Would you care to make an attempt at explaining the motivations in a way a child wouldn’t be able to see through?
“Serious discussion” and “one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t” are not mutually exclusive. A “serious discussion” may entail talking about “one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t”. A discussion about “one political side cares more about military burn victims, and one doesn’t” can indeed be a serious one. If a child is sufficiently astute to see both, why should one deliberately obfuscate either from the child?
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Horace said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@LuFins-Dad said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
The Senate overwhelmingly passed this a month ago. They are blocking it now because the House tacked on $400 BILLION in unrelated spending. That’s bull and you know it.
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”? I skimmed through a few news reports/articles and haven’t seen anything specific like that. :man-shrugging:
It’s like you want to start a serious discussion with the implication that one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t. Would you care to make an attempt at explaining the motivations in a way a child wouldn’t be able to see through?
“Serious discussion” and “one policies like side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t” are not mutually exclusive. A “serious discussion” may entail talking about “one political side cares about military burn victims, and one doesn’t”. A discussion about “one political side cares more about military burn victims, and one doesn’t” can indeed be a serious one. If a child is sufficiently astute to see both, why should one deliberately obfuscate either from the child?
Because verbal framing creates tribal narratives, which feed good vs evil world views and righteous destruction. If you want to claim that an important difference in the votes for that bill was a difference in caring about injured military, go ahead. Wouldn’t be the first time you self selected as a troll pretending to be a thoughtless tribalist.
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I really haven't gone into the weeds of why this bill was stalled.
However, a simple question is this one:
The original bill passed the Senate with 84 senators voting in favor of it.
Then, it went to the House.
Upon return to the Senate, it failed.
What's different?
I'm on my 2nd (cheap) Scotch of the night, so when you explain, please type slowly. Thanks.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Catseye3 said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
Would you please link to a report or article that delve into the “$400 billion in unrelated spending”?
Ax, in that same article you posted, it described that the legislation was almost good to go but for some technical issues, "But the block came just as Democratic leaders announced plans for a comprehensive budget reconciliation measure — a plan that
the GOP caucus previously pledged to oppose, including increased efforts to snarl normal business in the chamber."And:
"Eight Senate Republicans . . . voted for moving ahead with the bill."
Details on the last-minute Dem add-on: "Officials said the plan would spend about $369 billion on energy and climate initiatives and $64 billion to extend expiring federal subsidies for people buying health insurance.
"It would also raise $739 billion in revenue over 10 years, the biggest chunk coming from a 15% corporate minimum tax."
So if this article is accurate, it looks like everything was ironed out and on the way to the White House for signature, and then the Democrats pulled a fast one and FUBAR'd it. And then whined about the GOP "act of cowardice" and using veterans as a "bargaining chip".
Apparently the Republicans warned the Democrats, don't do it, and the Democrats did, and the Republicans withdrew their support -- just as they warned.
What you quoted, the Democrats are talking about a different, separate bill (see this other thread on Manchin’s New Deal), not adding anything new onto the burn pit bill.
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
What you quoted, the Democrats are talking about a different, separate bill (see this other thread on Manchin’s New Deal), not adding anything new onto the burn pit bill
Okay, but maybe it doesn't matter that it's two separate measures. (The article was a bit confusing about that.) You'd have to know more about the budget numbers and where Congress is fiscally to have a good understanding of this, but it seems like the GOP's objection is the timing of the Democrats' Manchin proposal -- that the two measures together call for too great an expenditure. Maybe?
There's some connection between the two bills. Otherwise why the big change in the voting when the Democrats announced their plan?
And there's a big difference between an all-but-passed bill ready for signature and a "plan". So what are the Republicans so worried about that they'd withhold their support for the PACT?
I dunno. I'm thinking you have to know a lot more background about both of the measures, the palavering and dealing and back-scratching between everybody. Above my pay grade.
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@Catseye3 said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
There's some connection between the two bills.
If there is any connection at all, it exists only in the minds of the Senators who changed the way they voted. Let them state their case, if they are willing or can.
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I really haven't gone into the weeds of why this bill was stalled.
However, a simple question is this one:
The original bill passed the Senate with 84 senators voting in favor of it.
Then, it went to the House.
Upon return to the Senate, it failed.
What's different?
I'm on my 2nd (cheap) Scotch of the night, so when you explain, please type slowly. Thanks.
@George-K said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
I really haven't gone into the weeds of why this bill was stalled.
However, a simple question is this one:
The original bill passed the Senate with 84 senators voting in favor of it.
Then, it went to the House.
Upon return to the Senate, it failed.
What's different?
I'm on my 2nd (cheap) Scotch of the night, so when you explain, please type slowly. Thanks.
Let those who changed how they voted articulate their reason(s) for the change, then we can judge whether their articulated reason(s) hold up to scrutiny.
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@George-K said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
I really haven't gone into the weeds of why this bill was stalled.
However, a simple question is this one:
The original bill passed the Senate with 84 senators voting in favor of it.
Then, it went to the House.
Upon return to the Senate, it failed.
What's different?
I'm on my 2nd (cheap) Scotch of the night, so when you explain, please type slowly. Thanks.
Let those who changed how they voted articulate their reason(s) for the change, then we can judge whether their articulated reason(s) hold up to scrutiny.
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@George-K said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
I really haven't gone into the weeds of why this bill was stalled.
However, a simple question is this one:
The original bill passed the Senate with 84 senators voting in favor of it.
Then, it went to the House.
Upon return to the Senate, it failed.
What's different?
I'm on my 2nd (cheap) Scotch of the night, so when you explain, please type slowly. Thanks.
Let those who changed how they voted articulate their reason(s) for the change, then we can judge whether their articulated reason(s) hold up to scrutiny.
You haven’t articulated why the votes changed, and you don’t actually believe they changed because of a lack of caring about military wounded.
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@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@George-K said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
I really haven't gone into the weeds of why this bill was stalled.
However, a simple question is this one:
The original bill passed the Senate with 84 senators voting in favor of it.
Then, it went to the House.
Upon return to the Senate, it failed.
What's different?
I'm on my 2nd (cheap) Scotch of the night, so when you explain, please type slowly. Thanks.
Let those who changed how they voted articulate their reason(s) for the change, then we can judge whether their articulated reason(s) hold up to scrutiny.
You haven’t articulated why the votes changed, and you don’t actually believe they changed because of a lack of caring about military wounded.
@Horace said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
You haven’t articulated why the votes changed, and you don’t actually believe they changed because of a lack of caring about military wounded.
No need to articulate. The other tribe is evil. It’s really that simple.
They hate veterans too, in case you were wondering.
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@Horace said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
You haven’t articulated why the votes changed, and you don’t actually believe they changed because of a lack of caring about military wounded.
No need to articulate. The other tribe is evil. It’s really that simple.
They hate veterans too, in case you were wondering.
@George-K said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Horace said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
@Axtremus said in Burn Pit Bill blocked ...:
You haven’t articulated why the votes changed, and you don’t actually believe they changed because of a lack of caring about military wounded.
No need to articulate. The other tribe is evil. It’s really that simple.
They hate veterans too, in case you were wondering.
In Ax’s case he says this stuff to troll people on this board. I think it says little about what he actually believes, if anything. I know he’s not this thoughtlessly indoctrinated.
