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  • X xenon

    If a scenario like this comes to pass, China’s economy is also in the toilet.

    Best China could hope for is a Pyrrhic victory.

    The aggressor would face the collective economic wrath of the world.

    TSMC should just build a fab in a diff country.

    AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    #6

    @xenon said in CHIPS:

    TSMC should just build a fab in a diff country.

    It‘s not just the hardware, but the human resource that is hardest to develop.

    Maybe the USA can offer to make Taiwan the 52nd state?

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      #7

      That would certainly change China's calculus, but probably not in a good way. But who is the 51st?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        That would certainly change China's calculus, but probably not in a good way. But who is the 51st?

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        @Mik said in CHIPS:

        But who is the 51st?

        DC, presumably.

        Arizona: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/tech/tsmc-arizona-chip-factory-intl-hnk/index.html

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #9

          DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

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            @Mik

            Yes. Maryland deserves it (she said darkly).

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              @Mik

              Yes. Maryland deserves it (she said darkly).

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              @Catseye3 said in CHIPS:

              @Mik

              Yes. Maryland deserves it (she said darkly).

              👹

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                @Mik said in CHIPS:

                But who is the 51st?

                DC, presumably.

                Arizona: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/tech/tsmc-arizona-chip-factory-intl-hnk/index.html

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Mik

                  DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

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                  @Mik said in CHIPS:

                  DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

                  Fuck that. Maryland had its chance and doesn't want any part of it. For good reason.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    @Mik

                    Yes. Maryland deserves it (she said darkly).

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                    @Catseye3 said in CHIPS:

                    @Mik

                    Yes. Maryland deserves it (she said darkly).

                    Doesn't your state throw dads in jail for calling out school board coverups of sexual assault?

                    Please love yourself.

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                      Yeah, but It's so common in Maryland, they just assign it a letter grade.😛😛

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Mik said in CHIPS:

                        DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

                        Fuck that. Maryland had its chance and doesn't want any part of it. For good reason.

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                        @Aqua-Letifer said in CHIPS:

                        @Mik said in CHIPS:

                        DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

                        Fuck that. Maryland had its chance and doesn't want any part of it. For good reason.

                        Why not? You already have Baltimore, which is worse. It would be an upgrade.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in CHIPS:

                          @Mik said in CHIPS:

                          DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

                          Fuck that. Maryland had its chance and doesn't want any part of it. For good reason.

                          Why not? You already have Baltimore, which is worse. It would be an upgrade.

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                          Aqua Letifer
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                          @Mik said in CHIPS:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in CHIPS:

                          @Mik said in CHIPS:

                          DC is just fine the way it is. It was made part of no state for a reason. If that must change for representation, then make it what it naturally is - part of Maryland.

                          Fuck that. Maryland had its chance and doesn't want any part of it. For good reason.

                          Why not? You already have Baltimore, which is worse. It would be an upgrade.

                          "Too expensive a gift" is how it was phrased back when it was considered, and that's even more true today. And in terms of taxes, we already pay out the ass for cleaning up VA's and PA's messes.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • AxtremusA Away
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                            "Tiny Taipei" in Arizona:

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/business/tsmc-phoenix-taiwan.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lU4.7gmM.j41IehwLevM3

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                              Trade DC for Greenland.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                "Tiny Taipei" in Arizona:

                                https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/business/tsmc-phoenix-taiwan.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lU4.7gmM.j41IehwLevM3

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                                @Axtremus said in CHIPS:

                                "Tiny Taipei" in Arizona:

                                https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/business/tsmc-phoenix-taiwan.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lU4.7gmM.j41IehwLevM3

                                That’s a lot of H1B visas…

                                The Brad

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                                  Hard to imagine a better use for them.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    Interesting article, but not surprising.

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                                      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-14/tsmc-considers-running-intel-s-us-factories-after-trump-team-request

                                      Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is considering taking a controlling stake in Intel Corp.’s factories at the request of Trump administration officials, a person familiar with the matter said, as the president looks to boost American manufacturing and maintain US leadership in critical technologies.

                                      and

                                      Though Intel has reiterated its commitment to investing in US factories — even as it pulls back from efforts abroad — Washington officials have for months been discussing contingency plans. One option favored by some in the Biden administration was a possible deal between Intel and GlobalFoundries Inc., Bloomberg has reported.

                                      and

                                      Biden officials also floated the possibility of TSMC licensing its manufacturing technology for use at Intel’s facilities, according to multiple people familiar with the conversations. But TSMC wasn’t interested in an arrangement that could ultimately benefit a competitor, the people said. And Biden’s team was generally reluctant to take an active role in deal conversations, according to several people familiar with the situation.

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