Worse Than Trump
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@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
What parts of this presidency would anybody approve of, if considered in isolation? Other than "he's not Trump", that list looks pretty empty.
“The only President in the last 5 years that didn’t try to end our democracy.”
Not a small thing, if you allow yourself to think about it.
I’ve thought about it and recognize the rhetorical value of framings from non-cult members.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 21:22 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
What parts of this presidency would anybody approve of, if considered in isolation? Other than "he's not Trump", that list looks pretty empty.
“The only President in the last 5 years that didn’t try to end our democracy.”
Not a small thing, if you allow yourself to think about it.
I’ve thought about it and recognize the rhetorical value of framings from non-cult members.
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Yes you have successfully established your unassailable pretension to an ability to conceive of politics and culture matters free from your own bias. Your ability to demonstrate that ability in specific discussions is lacking, but that’s where a lack of self awareness comes in handy.
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@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
What parts of this presidency would anybody approve of, if considered in isolation? Other than "he's not Trump", that list looks pretty empty.
“The only President in the last 5 years that didn’t try to end our democracy.”
Not a small thing, if you allow yourself to think about it.
I’ve thought about it and recognize the rhetorical value of framings from non-cult members.
Fixed
Yes you have successfully established your unassailable pretension to an ability to conceive of politics and culture matters free from your own bias. Your ability to demonstrate that ability in specific discussions is lacking, but that’s where a lack of self awareness comes in handy.
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@Horace You and only you have credited me with that.
Can a man be in two cults at the same time?
One wonders.
wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 21:57 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
@Horace You and only you have credited me with that.
Can a man be in two cults at the same time?
One wonders.
Pretty sure it would be a common observation here that you consider others tribal and yourself clear headed and objective.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 22:35 last edited by jon-nyc
I am one of several here who recognize Trumpism (magatry) and wokeness are cancers on the body politic. One of several. Among that select group are those who traditionally voted Republican and those who traditionally voted Democratic, and some that aren’t US citizens so haven’t voted here.
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I am one of several here who recognize Trumpism (magatry) and wokeness are cancers on the body politic. One of several. Among that select group are those who traditionally voted Republican and those who traditionally voted Democratic, and some that aren’t US citizens so haven’t voted here.
wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 22:46 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
I am one of several here who recognize Trumpism (magatry) and wokeness are cancers on the body politic. One of several. Among that select group are those who traditionally voted Republican and those who traditionally voted Democratic, and some that aren’t US citizens so haven’t voted here.
I would probably agree with you mostly if you took the time to think through exactly what beliefs define “Trumpism”. But in the past, you have hand waved the definition and refused to make clear exactly what it means. And I have asked. I’d like you to have the opportunity to walk your walk of intellectual clarity.
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OK, I'll bite.
What, in your mind, @jon-nyc , is "Trumpism?" I'm not sure I ever understood what that meant. I think I understand "wokeism," however.
wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 22:47 last edited byYou could probably shed some light on this, distinguishing Trumpism from traditional identification with the GOP.
Why were you not a Trump supporter in 2016?
What are your thoughts about how Trump handled himself in the months following his election loss?
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OK, I'll bite.
What, in your mind, @jon-nyc , is "Trumpism?" I'm not sure I ever understood what that meant. I think I understand "wokeism," however.
wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 22:47 last edited by@George-K said in Worse Than Trump:
OK, I'll bite.
What, in your mind, @jon-nyc , is "Trumpism?" I'm not sure I ever understood what that meant. I think I understand "wokeism," however.
Ah I see GK took the words out of my mouth.
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You could probably shed some light on this, distinguishing Trumpism from traditional identification with the GOP.
Why were you not a Trump supporter in 2016?
What are your thoughts about how Trump handled himself in the months following his election loss?
wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 22:52 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
You could probably shed some light on this, distinguishing Trumpism from traditional identification with the GOP.
You, and others are the ones making that distinction.
What, in your view, is that distinction, and how is it different from the hatred of his personality (which I share, by the way)? What is "the traditional GOP", and how is it different from Trumpism? Leave personality out of it, if you can, and leave it at policy.
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@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
You could probably shed some light on this, distinguishing Trumpism from traditional identification with the GOP.
You, and others are the ones making that distinction.
What, in your view, is that distinction, and how is it different from the hatred of his personality (which I share, by the way)? What is "the traditional GOP", and how is it different from Trumpism? Leave personality out of it, if you can, and leave it at policy.
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@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
What parts of this presidency would anybody approve of, if considered in isolation? Other than "he's not Trump", that list looks pretty empty.
“The only President in the last 5 years that didn’t try to end our democracy.”
Not a small thing, if you allow yourself to think about it.
wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 23:10 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
@Horace said in Worse Than Trump:
What parts of this presidency would anybody approve of, if considered in isolation? Other than "he's not Trump", that list looks pretty empty.
“The only President in the last 5 years that didn’t try to end our democracy.”
Not a small thing, if you allow yourself to think about it.
Yes, it's true -Trump is the only president in the last 5 years that didn't try to end our democracy....
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wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 23:17 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Worse Than Trump:
It’s late here. Why don’t you answer first, since I asked first, then I will?
No, you referred to cults etc. And THEN, you said "Trumpism."
I simply asked for your definition. I don't have one, which is why I asked.
You said.
Why were you not a Trump supporter in 2016?
And this is, to my mind irrelevant, because the appellation of "Trumpism" certainly happened a long time before Jan 6, or the general election. Your question is one of personality vs policy.
What are your thoughts about how Trump handled himself in the months following his election loss?
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wrote on 15 Jul 2022, 02:53 last edited by Jolly
Trumpism.
Multi-ethnic support. Populist. Pro Middle-class, particularly blue-collar. Low taxes. Strong military. Pro 2nd Amendment. Pro Freedom of Religion. Pro-business. Tariffs, if needed. Border security. Law & Order. Pro-life. Pro energy independence.
And willing and able to fight for all of the above, instead of being "nice", rolling over and playing dead.
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Trumpism.
Multi-ethnic support. Populist. Pro Middle-class, particularly blue-collar. Low taxes. Strong military. Pro 2nd Amendment. Pro Freedom of Religion. Pro-business. Tariffs, if needed. Border security. Law & Order. Pro-life. Pro energy independence.
And willing and able to fight for all of the above, instead of being "nice", rolling over and playing dead.
wrote on 15 Jul 2022, 04:22 last edited by@Jolly said in Worse Than Trump:
Trumpism.
Multi-ethnic support. Populist. Pro Middle-class, particularly blue-collar. Low taxes. Strong military. Pro 2nd Amendment. Pro Freedom of Religion. Pro-business. Tariffs, if needed. Border security. Law & Order. Pro-life. Pro energy independence.
And willing and able to fight for all of the above, instead of being "nice", rolling over and playing dead.
Jon will probably post a very similar list.