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A document rooted in racism and sexism.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 00:43 last edited by
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    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/july_2022/u_s_constitution_racist_and_sexist_most_democrats_believe

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Copper
      wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 01:15 last edited by
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      I don't think it was that document that established those traditions.

      It is certainly that document that allowed them to change.

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        Catseye3
        wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 01:28 last edited by Catseye3
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        U.S. Constitution ‘Racist’ and ‘Sexist,’ Most Democrats Believe, says our poll which we stripped of all but the dumbest people in the country.

        FIFY

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          Jolly
          wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 02:10 last edited by
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          I don't think stupidity can be determined before surveying...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Catseye3
            wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 05:52 last edited by
            #5

            Who said anything about before?

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 07:11 last edited by jon-nyc
              #6

              That much seems objectively true.

              How would one even make the opposite case?

              Seems the best you could do is to note “it’s also rooted in all these other ideas in it which are more universal etc”.

              But how do you pretend it wasn’t racist and sexist in origin?

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                Mik
                wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 10:31 last edited by
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                So what? It reflected American society as it existed at that time, including the disagreements over slavery and women's rights. It also established the ability of the people to change as they wished. Its precepts have consistently been interpreted to move us toward greater rights and justice.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • J jon-nyc
                  14 Jul 2022, 07:11

                  That much seems objectively true.

                  How would one even make the opposite case?

                  Seems the best you could do is to note “it’s also rooted in all these other ideas in it which are more universal etc”.

                  But how do you pretend it wasn’t racist and sexist in origin?

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 14:50 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in A document rooted in racism and sexism.:

                  But how do you pretend it wasn’t racist and sexist in origin?

                  Those words had different meaning at the time.

                  The practices were acceptable, even admired.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 15:21 last edited by
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                    Maybe we should specify the parts of the document which show the racism or sexism, before we handwave anachronistic value judgments about the document's "roots".

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 15:41 last edited by
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                      Notice where the majority thought about racism and sexism occurs...It's primarily among Democrats.

                      Why?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • J Jolly
                        14 Jul 2022, 15:41

                        Notice where the majority thought about racism and sexism occurs...It's primarily among Democrats.

                        Why?

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 17:15 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in A document rooted in racism and sexism.:

                        Notice where the majority thought about racism and sexism occurs...It's primarily among Democrats.

                        Why?

                        Because those people have been successfully indoctrinated into the belief that their choice of political tribe demonstrates their higher virtue with regard to things such as racism and sexism. While in fact the real primate evolution reason they've adopted those views is because they are the most socially advantageous ones to express. Real demonstration of virtue requires sacrifice. Parroting politically correct opinions on various forms of bigotry entails zero sacrifice, and only accrues social gain.

                        I suppose I've spent years here on TNCR trying to explain this concept in 1000 different ways.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 17:21 last edited by
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                          I'm going out on a limb here, but I think it might be the fault of pop culture.

                          I was only joking

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                            14 Jul 2022, 17:21

                            I'm going out on a limb here, but I think it might be the fault of pop culture.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 17:28 last edited by
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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in A document rooted in racism and sexism.:

                            I'm going out on a limb here, but I think it might be the fault of pop culture.

                            Yep.

                            The more aware one is of how humans operate, the more aware one is about the primacy of culture in our thoughts and feels.

                            Education is extremely important.

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