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    ????

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Either the wrong pic, or Mik has a different view on renewables...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Either the wrong pic, or Mik has a different view on renewables...

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        @Jolly 555

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        • MikM Offline
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          Picky, picky, picky.

          Ok, I fixed it.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Okay.

            Basically, except in very limited applications, wind energy is horseshit.

            Where do I think it is viable? In smaller, residential applications where the energy can be stored in home battery banks. Maybe you have an individual windmill for your home. Maybe your subdivision has a larger unit providing power to multiple homes...It still doesn't get them off of the grid, but it lets them use a lot less power from it.

            I think you could combine it with solar in some applications, and be grid independent, but the cost may be too prohibitive vs. being tied into the grid.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              I believe that Scotland produced 97% of it's energy from renewables in 2020, most of which was wind power, so it can work.

              If you've ever been to the north of Scotland, you'd understand why.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                I believe that Scotland produced 97% of it's energy from renewables in 2020, most of which was wind power, so it can work.

                If you've ever been to the north of Scotland, you'd understand why.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in The folly of renewables:

                I believe that Scotland produced 97% of it's energy from renewables in 2020, most of which was wind power, so it can work.

                If you've ever been to the north of Scotland, you'd understand why.

                https://fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/

                In 2020, 56% of the electricity consumed in Scotland came from renewable sources.

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                • CopperC Copper

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The folly of renewables:

                  I believe that Scotland produced 97% of it's energy from renewables in 2020, most of which was wind power, so it can work.

                  If you've ever been to the north of Scotland, you'd understand why.

                  https://fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/

                  In 2020, 56% of the electricity consumed in Scotland came from renewable sources.

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                  @Copper said in The folly of renewables:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The folly of renewables:

                  I believe that Scotland produced 97% of it's energy from renewables in 2020, most of which was wind power, so it can work.

                  If you've ever been to the north of Scotland, you'd understand why.

                  https://fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/

                  In 2020, 56% of the electricity consumed in Scotland came from renewable sources.

                  OK, the number may be debatable, but 56% of all energy is still really good.

                  I was only joking

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Where it works, sure. But that is not everywhere.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Copper said in The folly of renewables:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The folly of renewables:

                      I believe that Scotland produced 97% of it's energy from renewables in 2020, most of which was wind power, so it can work.

                      If you've ever been to the north of Scotland, you'd understand why.

                      https://fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/

                      In 2020, 56% of the electricity consumed in Scotland came from renewable sources.

                      OK, the number may be debatable, but 56% of all energy is still really good.

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The folly of renewables:

                      @Copper said in The folly of renewables:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The folly of renewables:

                      I believe that Scotland produced 97% of it's energy from renewables in 2020, most of which was wind power, so it can work.

                      If you've ever been to the north of Scotland, you'd understand why.

                      https://fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/

                      In 2020, 56% of the electricity consumed in Scotland came from renewable sources.

                      OK, the number may be debatable, but 56% of all energy is still really good.

                      I think it is, but it can't be stored. What is the energy usage for the typical Scotsman vs. the typical American?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        This was the lead topic on Tucker last night.

                        The story is that the US is forcing lots of small countries to use renewables.

                        And just about every country that has followed our advice has been seriously damaged after committing to using renewables.

                        For example

                        But Ghana didn't slow down. They just kept going. The World Bank promised to provide, and we're quoting, "technical assistance for energy sector reforms and the drafting of a new renewable energy law." So, in return for all this help, Ghana agreed to limit its carbon emissions, and then they entered the Paris climate agreement. Oh, how virtuous.

                        What happened next? This is the part you don't read that much about. Last year, Ghana experienced a complete shutdown of its national power supply. No more electricity, no emissions, because we have no electricity, and blackouts have continued since then.

                        https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-fossil-fuels-make-us-rich-country-biden-doesnt-care

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                          We are seriously considering to add a fireplace to our home, potentially connected to the central heating system, such that we don't need to freeze when the winter comes and there's no gas and no electricity. It's a costly nightmare to do that in a modern home.

                          Whenever I read the domestic news these days, I need to have a serious chat with my dog afterwards to calm down and not murder random people.

                          Once we have evolved into a new stone age, it would be nice if you guys would occasionally send a few stone tablets with the latest news from TNCR.

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                            This was the lead topic on Tucker last night.

                            The story is that the US is forcing lots of small countries to use renewables.

                            And just about every country that has followed our advice has been seriously damaged after committing to using renewables.

                            For example

                            But Ghana didn't slow down. They just kept going. The World Bank promised to provide, and we're quoting, "technical assistance for energy sector reforms and the drafting of a new renewable energy law." So, in return for all this help, Ghana agreed to limit its carbon emissions, and then they entered the Paris climate agreement. Oh, how virtuous.

                            What happened next? This is the part you don't read that much about. Last year, Ghana experienced a complete shutdown of its national power supply. No more electricity, no emissions, because we have no electricity, and blackouts have continued since then.

                            https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-fossil-fuels-make-us-rich-country-biden-doesnt-care

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                            @Copper said in The folly of renewables:

                            This was the lead topic on Tucker last night.

                            The story is that the US is forcing lots of small countries to use renewables.

                            And just about every country that has followed our advice has been seriously damaged after committing to using renewables.

                            For example

                            But Ghana didn't slow down. They just kept going. The World Bank promised to provide, and we're quoting, "technical assistance for energy sector reforms and the drafting of a new renewable energy law." So, in return for all this help, Ghana agreed to limit its carbon emissions, and then they entered the Paris climate agreement. Oh, how virtuous.

                            What happened next? This is the part you don't read that much about. Last year, Ghana experienced a complete shutdown of its national power supply. No more electricity, no emissions, because we have no electricity, and blackouts have continued since then.

                            https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-fossil-fuels-make-us-rich-country-biden-doesnt-care

                            It's not called the Dark Continent for nothing, you know.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              We are seriously considering to add a fireplace to our home, potentially connected to the central heating system, such that we don't need to freeze when the winter comes and there's no gas and no electricity. It's a costly nightmare to do that in a modern home.

                              Whenever I read the domestic news these days, I need to have a serious chat with my dog afterwards to calm down and not murder random people.

                              Once we have evolved into a new stone age, it would be nice if you guys would occasionally send a few stone tablets with the latest news from TNCR.

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                              @Klaus said in The folly of renewables:

                              We are seriously considering to add a fireplace to our home, potentially connected to the central heating system, such that we don't need to freeze when the winter comes and there's no gas and no electricity. It's a costly nightmare to do that in a modern home.

                              Whenever I read the domestic news these days, I need to have a serious chat with my dog afterwards to calm down and not murder random people.

                              Once we have evolved into a new stone age, it would be nice if you guys would occasionally send a few stone tablets with the latest news from TNCR.

                              Research well. Many fireplaces are not efficient. Many wood heaters are.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @Klaus said in The folly of renewables:

                                We are seriously considering to add a fireplace to our home, potentially connected to the central heating system, such that we don't need to freeze when the winter comes and there's no gas and no electricity. It's a costly nightmare to do that in a modern home.

                                Whenever I read the domestic news these days, I need to have a serious chat with my dog afterwards to calm down and not murder random people.

                                Once we have evolved into a new stone age, it would be nice if you guys would occasionally send a few stone tablets with the latest news from TNCR.

                                Research well. Many fireplaces are not efficient. Many wood heaters are.

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                                @Jolly said in The folly of renewables:

                                Research well. Many fireplaces are not efficient. Many wood heaters are.

                                Probably I used the wrong word.

                                We are considering something like this:

                                489318ba-27b9-4814-a3d8-477e84e30002-image.png

                                Some of these wood burners have the option to let water flow through it. With a pump, it can be combined with the central heating system to support or, depending on power, replace the gas heating.

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                                  Our house had a wood-burning fireplace with glass doors. It was installed in, I believe 1988. It was a box-in-a-box, so that the firebox was surrounded by an enclosure that sucked air through the bottom grate, circulated it behind the firebox and a fan blew it out through the top.

                                  That sucker heated the entire first floor of our house - about 1600 sq. ft. We used it all the time.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    I've run a Hearthstone similar to their current Heritage series since 1986. Mine will burn coal or wood.

                                    https://www.hearthstonestoves.com

                                    Of course, all my wood costs me, is the time and effort to cut it. I don't know what your wood situation is.

                                    I think the type stove you're looking at would serve you well. You'll find wood heat is different. And addictive. It's also super comforting to have that backup (or primary) heat. A good fire, the piano and a good book, a hot bowl of soup...Who needs electricity when the cold wind is howling outside? ⛄🔥🍵☕❄

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Not to mention the photovoltaic panels once they are worn out...

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/california-went-big-on-rooftop-solar-it-created-an-environmental-danger-in-the-process/ar-AAZz0vF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=229f839521e74a04a221916fae1eae52

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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