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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
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    Yep. Exactly the mass of tentacles I don't want in the federal government.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      #5

      I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        #6

        Jeebus. Take a breath. You think every member of your tribe spends every minute of the workday grinding on world peace? The Code of Federal Regulations is full of this stuff. It makes a crime to wash a fish at a faucet if it's not a fish-washing faucet, in a national forest. Also to knowingly let your pig enter a fenced-in area on public land where it might destroy the grass.

        Here's one Copper would approve of: It's a crime to harass a golfer in any national park in Washington, DC.

        The books are full of silly "crimes" and probably some of them were proposed by Republicans.

        Really, it ain't no thing. And to be exercised over tentacles? That ship sailed a looonnnng time ago.

        Save your ire for shit that matters, my friend.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

          MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
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          #7

          @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

          I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

          Yes, you have. She has this vaguely Soviet style.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            Jeebus. Take a breath. You think every member of your tribe spends every minute of the workday grinding on world peace? The Code of Federal Regulations is full of this stuff. It makes a crime to wash a fish at a faucet if it's not a fish-washing faucet, in a national forest. Also to knowingly let your pig enter a fenced-in area on public land where it might destroy the grass.

            Here's one Copper would approve of: It's a crime to harass a golfer in any national park in Washington, DC.

            The books are full of silly "crimes" and probably some of them were proposed by Republicans.

            Really, it ain't no thing. And to be exercised over tentacles? That ship sailed a looonnnng time ago.

            Save your ire for shit that matters, my friend.

            MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            @Catseye3 said in She who would be president...:

            Jeebus. Take a breath. You think every member of your tribe spends every minute of the workday grinding on world peace? The Code of Federal Regulations is full of this stuff. It makes a crime to wash a fish at a faucet if it's not a fish-washing faucet, in a national forest. Also to knowingly let your pig enter a fenced-in area on public land where it might destroy the grass.

            Here's one Copper would approve of: It's a crime to harass a golfer in any national park in Washington, DC.

            The books are full of silly "crimes" and probably some of them were proposed by Republicans.

            Really, it ain't no thing. And to be exercised over tentacles? That ship sailed a looonnnng time ago.

            Save your ire for shit that matters, my friend.

            Yes, thank you for pointing out the obvious that there is a lot of it. And I dislike pretty much all of it, thinking 99% do not need to exist. That is why I oppose more of it. Has naught to do with tribes.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

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              @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

              I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

              Did you ever reach a conclusion about whether you would have preferred her to Trump, or do you refuse to cognitively go there? I understand you'd have voted third party in such an election, but a preference could still exist.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                Jeebus. Take a breath. You think every member of your tribe spends every minute of the workday grinding on world peace? The Code of Federal Regulations is full of this stuff. It makes a crime to wash a fish at a faucet if it's not a fish-washing faucet, in a national forest. Also to knowingly let your pig enter a fenced-in area on public land where it might destroy the grass.

                Here's one Copper would approve of: It's a crime to harass a golfer in any national park in Washington, DC.

                The books are full of silly "crimes" and probably some of them were proposed by Republicans.

                Really, it ain't no thing. And to be exercised over tentacles? That ship sailed a looonnnng time ago.

                Save your ire for shit that matters, my friend.

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                Horace
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                #10

                @Catseye3 said in She who would be president...:

                It makes a crime to wash a fish at a faucet if it's not a fish-washing faucet,

                How many fish could a fish washer wash, if a fish washer could wash fish in a faucet not intended for fish washing?

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @Catseye3 said in She who would be president...:

                  It makes a crime to wash a fish at a faucet if it's not a fish-washing faucet,

                  How many fish could a fish washer wash, if a fish washer could wash fish in a faucet not intended for fish washing?

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                  Catseye3
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                  @Horace LOL. Great minds. That jingle tried to occur to me also, but I couldn't make it come together. 🙂

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    Jeebus. Take a breath. You think every member of your tribe spends every minute of the workday grinding on world peace? The Code of Federal Regulations is full of this stuff. It makes a crime to wash a fish at a faucet if it's not a fish-washing faucet, in a national forest. Also to knowingly let your pig enter a fenced-in area on public land where it might destroy the grass.

                    Here's one Copper would approve of: It's a crime to harass a golfer in any national park in Washington, DC.

                    The books are full of silly "crimes" and probably some of them were proposed by Republicans.

                    Really, it ain't no thing. And to be exercised over tentacles? That ship sailed a looonnnng time ago.

                    Save your ire for shit that matters, my friend.

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                    @Catseye3 said in She who would be president...:

                    Here's one Copper would approve of: It's a crime to harass a golfer in any national park in Washington, DC.

                    I have played at East Potomac Golf Links (also known as Hains Point Golf Course) located on the Hains Point Island on the Potomac River in Washington, D.C.

                    Harassment might be a stretch, but it is a public park and my recollection (from 35 years ago) is there are non-golfers hanging around on the course. I certainly could have killed a few with a misplaced shot.

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #13

                      No great loss, I expect.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        #14

                        When it comes to Fauxahontas, I'm always at a loss as to which "H Word" to use.

                        Harridan or harpy.

                        I'll bow out of this thread for now, and I'll revisit to see thoughts in about 4 days. See you next Tuesday.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                          I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

                          Did you ever reach a conclusion about whether you would have preferred her to Trump, or do you refuse to cognitively go there? I understand you'd have voted third party in such an election, but a preference could still exist.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          @Horace said in She who would be president...:

                          @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                          I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

                          Did you ever reach a conclusion about whether you would have preferred her to Trump, or do you refuse to cognitively go there? I understand you'd have voted third party in such an election, but a preference could still exist.

                          Her easily, in that her errors are reversible. Once democracy is ended it’s hard to come back from that. We can reverse bad regulations though.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            Standardizing the charging interfaces for phones (or more generally, for low powered electrical devices in general) is a very good idea. Will lower cost for most consumers, cut down a lot of industrial wastes, conserve more resources, better for the environment, etc.

                            Ideally standards of this sort should come from the industry in the private sector. From that perspective, it’s tempting to say that perhaps the legislators/government should spend their time elsewhere.

                            But historically just about every major manufacturer of phones and low-powered electronic devices have introduced multiple incompatible charging interfaces. From that perspective, it becomes more reasonable for the government to step in, because the private sector on their own have proven incapable of aligning towards a common standard.

                            Yeah, you can argue that a common standard may suppress innovation (yet history has also shown that having common standards at the base spurred innovation). You can also argue that by this time most phone makers have aligned on USB-C (except, glaringly, Apple, Inc.) so where is the urgency of introducing this sort of legislation now?

                            While I hope Warren won’t waste time drafting or waste political capital promoting this sort of legislation, I have no problem with her (or any other legislator) supporting/voting for this sort of legislation if someone else have already spent the time drafting and the political capital promoting it.

                            Ultimately, while not urgent in the grand scheme of things, it’s also not a bad idea; heck, it’s a rather reasonable, sensible idea.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              Standardizing the charging interfaces for phones (or more generally, for low powered electrical devices in general) is a very good idea. Will lower cost for most consumers, cut down a lot of industrial wastes, conserve more resources, better for the environment, etc.

                              Ideally standards of this sort should come from the industry in the private sector. From that perspective, it’s tempting to say that perhaps the legislators/government should spend their time elsewhere.

                              But historically just about every major manufacturer of phones and low-powered electronic devices have introduced multiple incompatible charging interfaces. From that perspective, it becomes more reasonable for the government to step in, because the private sector on their own have proven incapable of aligning towards a common standard.

                              Yeah, you can argue that a common standard may suppress innovation (yet history has also shown that having common standards at the base spurred innovation). You can also argue that by this time most phone makers have aligned on USB-C (except, glaringly, Apple, Inc.) so where is the urgency of introducing this sort of legislation now?

                              While I hope Warren won’t waste time drafting or waste political capital promoting this sort of legislation, I have no problem with her (or any other legislator) supporting/voting for this sort of legislation if someone else have already spent the time drafting and the political capital promoting it.

                              Ultimately, while not urgent in the grand scheme of things, it’s also not a bad idea; heck, it’s a rather reasonable, sensible idea.

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                              @Axtremus said in She who would be president...:

                              Standardizing the charging interfaces for phones (or more generally, for low powered electrical devices in general) is a very good idea. Will lower cost for most consumers, cut down a lot of industrial wastes, conserve more resources, better for the environment, etc.

                              Ideally standards of this sort should come from the industry in the private sector. From that perspective, it’s tempting to say that perhaps the legislators/government should spend their time elsewhere.

                              But historically just about every major manufacturer of phones and low-powered electronic devices have introduced multiple incompatible charging interfaces. From that perspective, it becomes more reasonable for the government to step in, because the private sector on their own have proven incapable of aligning towards a common standard.

                              Yeah, you can argue that a common standard may suppress innovation (yet history has also shown that having common standards at the base spurred innovation). You can also argue that by this time most phone makers have aligned on USB-C (except, glaringly, Apple, Inc.) so where is the urgency of introducing this sort of legislation now?

                              While I hope Warren won’t waste time drafting or waste political capital promoting this sort of legislation, I have no problem with her (or any other legislator) supporting/voting for this sort of legislation if someone else have already spent the time drafting and the political capital promoting it.

                              Ultimately, while not urgent in the grand scheme of things, it’s also not a bad idea; heck, it’s a rather reasonable, sensible idea.

                              You won't read the final thoughts, gathered over a lifetime, of those looking back over their experiences and synthesizing their lessons learned. And yet you expect others to read this text wall about charging interfaces? Your priorities are out of whack sir.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @Horace said in She who would be president...:

                                @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

                                Did you ever reach a conclusion about whether you would have preferred her to Trump, or do you refuse to cognitively go there? I understand you'd have voted third party in such an election, but a preference could still exist.

                                Her easily, in that her errors are reversible. Once democracy is ended it’s hard to come back from that. We can reverse bad regulations though.

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                                @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                @Horace said in She who would be president...:

                                @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

                                Did you ever reach a conclusion about whether you would have preferred her to Trump, or do you refuse to cognitively go there? I understand you'd have voted third party in such an election, but a preference could still exist.

                                Her easily, in that her errors are reversible. Once democracy is ended it’s hard to come back from that. We can reverse bad regulations though.

                                Methinks you give The Don far too much credit.

                                Perhaps next time...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  @Axtremus said in She who would be president...:

                                  Standardizing the charging interfaces for phones (or more generally, for low powered electrical devices in general) is a very good idea. Will lower cost for most consumers, cut down a lot of industrial wastes, conserve more resources, better for the environment, etc.

                                  Ideally standards of this sort should come from the industry in the private sector. From that perspective, it’s tempting to say that perhaps the legislators/government should spend their time elsewhere.

                                  But historically just about every major manufacturer of phones and low-powered electronic devices have introduced multiple incompatible charging interfaces. From that perspective, it becomes more reasonable for the government to step in, because the private sector on their own have proven incapable of aligning towards a common standard.

                                  Yeah, you can argue that a common standard may suppress innovation (yet history has also shown that having common standards at the base spurred innovation). You can also argue that by this time most phone makers have aligned on USB-C (except, glaringly, Apple, Inc.) so where is the urgency of introducing this sort of legislation now?

                                  While I hope Warren won’t waste time drafting or waste political capital promoting this sort of legislation, I have no problem with her (or any other legislator) supporting/voting for this sort of legislation if someone else have already spent the time drafting and the political capital promoting it.

                                  Ultimately, while not urgent in the grand scheme of things, it’s also not a bad idea; heck, it’s a rather reasonable, sensible idea.

                                  You won't read the final thoughts, gathered over a lifetime, of those looking back over their experiences and synthesizing their lessons learned. And yet you expect others to read this text wall about charging interfaces? Your priorities are out of whack sir.

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                                  @Horace said in She who would be president...:

                                  @Axtremus said in She who would be president...:

                                  Standardizing the charging interfaces for phones (or more generally, for low powered electrical devices in general) is a very good idea. Will lower cost for most consumers, cut down a lot of industrial wastes, conserve more resources, better for the environment, etc.

                                  Ideally standards of this sort should come from the industry in the private sector. From that perspective, it’s tempting to say that perhaps the legislators/government should spend their time elsewhere.

                                  But historically just about every major manufacturer of phones and low-powered electronic devices have introduced multiple incompatible charging interfaces. From that perspective, it becomes more reasonable for the government to step in, because the private sector on their own have proven incapable of aligning towards a common standard.

                                  Yeah, you can argue that a common standard may suppress innovation (yet history has also shown that having common standards at the base spurred innovation). You can also argue that by this time most phone makers have aligned on USB-C (except, glaringly, Apple, Inc.) so where is the urgency of introducing this sort of legislation now?

                                  While I hope Warren won’t waste time drafting or waste political capital promoting this sort of legislation, I have no problem with her (or any other legislator) supporting/voting for this sort of legislation if someone else have already spent the time drafting and the political capital promoting it.

                                  Ultimately, while not urgent in the grand scheme of things, it’s also not a bad idea; heck, it’s a rather reasonable, sensible idea.

                                  You won't read the final thoughts, gathered over a lifetime, of those looking back over their experiences and synthesizing their lessons learned. And yet you expect others to read this text wall about charging interfaces? Your priorities are out of whack sir.

                                  I didn't see that, I had to go back and look for myself. Yep, that's hilarious.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                    @Horace said in She who would be president...:

                                    @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                    I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

                                    Did you ever reach a conclusion about whether you would have preferred her to Trump, or do you refuse to cognitively go there? I understand you'd have voted third party in such an election, but a preference could still exist.

                                    Her easily, in that her errors are reversible. Once democracy is ended it’s hard to come back from that. We can reverse bad regulations though.

                                    Methinks you give The Don far too much credit.

                                    Perhaps next time...

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                                    @Jolly said in She who would be president...:

                                    @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                    @Horace said in She who would be president...:

                                    @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                    I’ve always considered her positively dangerous. That’s not hyperbole.

                                    Did you ever reach a conclusion about whether you would have preferred her to Trump, or do you refuse to cognitively go there? I understand you'd have voted third party in such an election, but a preference could still exist.

                                    Her easily, in that her errors are reversible. Once democracy is ended it’s hard to come back from that. We can reverse bad regulations though.

                                    Methinks you give The Don far too much credit.

                                    Perhaps next time...

                                    It’s true that he failed. But only due to the character and conscience of a rather small handful of mostly unknown, mostly local functionaries. But he certainly tried, publicly and privately, and could well be successful in a second attempt.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      I would love to read some alternative history fiction about how Trump could have overthrown the American government if just one or two things had gone differently. From Jon’s perspective, such a story could be laid out plausibly.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        #22

                                        You weren’t paying attention, much of this was done openly. He tried to get local officials to decline to certify the vote in heavily Biden leaning districts (MI). He famously tried to get the GA Secretary of State to “find” 11k votes with an implied (or maybe explicit, I don’t remember) threat if he should fail. His legal team tried to get state legislatures to send in a competing slate of electors, in certain states he lost, and he pressured the VP to decline to certify the votes of certain states he lost. Each of these could have been successful but for upstanding civil servants (including the VP) that didn’t want our 250 year old democracy’s blood on their hands.

                                        It is a very real concern that many of these roles have since been filled by cult members who would show no such restraint.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          You weren’t paying attention, much of this was done openly. He tried to get local officials to decline to certify the vote in heavily Biden leaning districts (MI). He famously tried to get the GA Secretary of State to “find” 11k votes with an implied (or maybe explicit, I don’t remember) threat if he should fail. His legal team tried to get state legislatures to send in a competing slate of electors, in certain states he lost, and he pressured the VP to decline to certify the votes of certain states he lost. Each of these could have been successful but for upstanding civil servants (including the VP) that didn’t want our 250 year old democracy’s blood on their hands.

                                          It is a very real concern that many of these roles have since been filled by cult members who would show no such restraint.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in She who would be president...:

                                          You weren’t paying attention. He tried to get local officials to decline to certify the vote in heavily Biden leaning districts (MI). He famously tried to get the GA Secretary of State to “find” 11k votes with an implied (or maybe explicit, I don’t remember) threat if he should fail. His legal team tried to get state legislatures to send in a competing slate of electors, in certain states he lost, and he pressured the VP to decline to certify the votes of certain states he lost. Each of these could have been successful but for upstanding civil servants (including the VP) that didn’t want our 250 year old democracy’s blood on their hands.

                                          I mean an actual story, not some handwavy claim about what he tried to do. A story, characterized by one plausible event after another, which ends with God Emperor Trump.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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