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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Well, at least we know where some of it went...

    HOUSTON (Reuters) -More than 5 million barrels of oil that were part of a historic U.S. emergency reserves release to lower domestic fuel prices were exported to Europe and Asia last month, according to data and sources, even as U.S. gasoline and diesel prices hit record highs.
    www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-05/oil-from-u-s-reserves-head-overseas-as-gasoline-prices-stay-high

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        taiwan_girl
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        I am guessing that @Renauda can comment better than me, but oil is not like a car, where you order a car, and a specific one is sent to you.

        When you buy gas from your local brand name gas station, it probably came from a competitor refinery.

        Oil is generic. If Phillip 66 ships XX barrels of oil to Europe to fill a contract, it doesn't really matter if the oil came from storage place A, storage place B, storage place C, or the strategic reserve . They probably figured that the easiest and cheapest way was to use the oil from the strategic reserve.

        If they did not ship it from there, it would have come from somewhere else, so the net effect was zero.

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          I am guessing that @Renauda can comment better than me, but oil is not like a car, where you order a car, and a specific one is sent to you.

          When you buy gas from your local brand name gas station, it probably came from a competitor refinery.

          Oil is generic. If Phillip 66 ships XX barrels of oil to Europe to fill a contract, it doesn't really matter if the oil came from storage place A, storage place B, storage place C, or the strategic reserve . They probably figured that the easiest and cheapest way was to use the oil from the strategic reserve.

          If they did not ship it from there, it would have come from somewhere else, so the net effect was zero.

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by Jolly
          #4

          @taiwan_girl said in Strategic Oil Reserve:

          I am guessing that @Renauda can comment better than me, but oil is not like a car, where you order a car, and a specific one is sent to you.

          When you buy gas from your local brand name gas station, it probably came from a competitor refinery.

          Oil is generic. If Phillip 66 ships XX barrels of oil to Europe to fill a contract, it doesn't really matter if the oil came from storage place A, storage place B, storage place C, or the strategic reserve . They probably figured that the easiest and cheapest way was to use the oil from the strategic reserve.

          If they did not ship it from there, it would have come from somewhere else, so the net effect was zero.

          Strategic means what it says. Now, Presidents have played fast and loose with using the reserve as it's meant to be used, but I don't think any before Biden have sold it to foreign countries.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @taiwan_girl said in Strategic Oil Reserve:

            I am guessing that @Renauda can comment better than me, but oil is not like a car, where you order a car, and a specific one is sent to you.

            When you buy gas from your local brand name gas station, it probably came from a competitor refinery.

            Oil is generic. If Phillip 66 ships XX barrels of oil to Europe to fill a contract, it doesn't really matter if the oil came from storage place A, storage place B, storage place C, or the strategic reserve . They probably figured that the easiest and cheapest way was to use the oil from the strategic reserve.

            If they did not ship it from there, it would have come from somewhere else, so the net effect was zero.

            Strategic means what it says. Now, Presidents have played fast and loose with using the reserve as it's meant to be used, but I don't think any before Biden have sold it to foreign countries.

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            taiwan_girl
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            @Jolly Again, oil is generic.

            The release from the strategic reserve goes to the various big oil companies.

            They have contracts with various foreign countries.

            The net result is that there is 5 MM more barrels of oil in the US system.

            Would it be better if Phillips sent the oil to Europe from their storage facility, and then refilled the storage facility with the strategic reserve oil?

            I am guess that Phillips did this because they eliminated a couple of steps in the transportation/shipping process and saved money.

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              Jolly
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              Tell that to Germany in WW2.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                @Jolly Again, oil is generic.

                The release from the strategic reserve goes to the various big oil companies.

                They have contracts with various foreign countries.

                The net result is that there is 5 MM more barrels of oil in the US system.

                Would it be better if Phillips sent the oil to Europe from their storage facility, and then refilled the storage facility with the strategic reserve oil?

                I am guess that Phillips did this because they eliminated a couple of steps in the transportation/shipping process and saved money.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #7

                @taiwan_girl

                America need not worry. She can always top off those strategic reserves with discounted WCS - Alberta crude. They own it and there are billions of barrels of it for the taking. Can be delivered by pipe or rail. America’s choice.

                Elbows up!

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                  Jolly
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                  About that pipeline stuff...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    About that pipeline stuff...

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
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                    @Jolly

                    I hear the train a’coming.

                    Don’t complain our line is complete to the border.

                    Elbows up!

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                      Jolly
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                      Just can't see Joe going there...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Jolly

                        I hear the train a’coming.

                        Don’t complain our line is complete to the border.

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                        @Renauda said in Strategic Oil Reserve:

                        I hear the train a’coming.

                        LOL, and the greenies still won't acknowledge that this is a far more dangerous way to transport it than a pipeline.

                        But...the ENVIRONMENT!

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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