Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And still Tucker Carlson has racked up piss poor record with the facts.
See https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/

Given that track record, maybe you should trust a random loudmouth guy down the shops more than you trust Carlson.

You can cherry-pick anything. I can cobble up enough of your dribble to convince folks that you are a lying prick with no social graces whatsoever. If anybody talks long enough and addresses any controversial subject, anybody can be accused of such.

Tucker is on the air five days a week, one hour per day. More on Fox Nation.

If he's wrong 5% of the time, that means he's right 95%.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And still Tucker Carlson has racked up piss poor record with the facts.
See https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/

Given that track record, maybe you should trust a random loudmouth guy down the shops more than you trust Carlson.

You can cherry-pick anything. I can cobble up enough of your dribble to convince folks that you are a lying prick with no social graces whatsoever. If anybody talks long enough and addresses any controversial subject, anybody can be accused of such.

Tucker is on the air five days a week, one hour per day. More on Fox Nation.

If he's wrong 5% of the time, that means he's right 95%.

The stats say his claims are 89% “mostly false,” “false,” and “pants on fire.”

[mark]

If I had a any proclivity toward being a hermit before, all of this crap makes it seem like the correct attitude in our "modern, civilized" world.

Last night, I moved the .45ACP into a more strategic location, along with a few magazines full of Hornady, Critical Defense rounds. It was too close to an entry door for my liking. The .22 is also in a nice strategic place. In all my 60 years of life, I have never had even a hint of activity that would require me to defend myself with a gun.

I loved the science of ammo, guns, with typical gear-head like enthusiasm. I no longer have any of that enthusiasm, but I am glad I own a few guns. Still need to get that shotgun I have been talking about for a few years.

In our "modern, civilized" world.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Why do mass shootings appear to be so much more common in the USA?

Because the other countries that have way more mass shootings than us report them in Spanish, we don't understand.

And we don't really care about those countries.

[Copper]

@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

The stats say his claims are 89% “mostly false,” “false,” and “pants on fire.”

politifacts is pure political trash, correct roughly 2 or 3% of the time.

[xenon]

Seems like a form of public suicide + as Aqua mentioned yesterday, social contagion.

I think much, much, much stronger gun control could curb this around the edges - but it won't make the problem go away.

The underlying problem is probably the same as what's driving suicide rates up - isolation and loneliness.

[Catseye3]

@xenon said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

isolation and loneliness.

In the midst of pressures from too many voices to do this and be that. Friendless, yet too many messages pressing too close.

[Jolly]

@Copper said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

The stats say his claims are 89% “mostly false,” “false,” and “pants on fire.”

politifacts is pure political trash, correct roughly 2 or 3% of the time.

Shh! It's the only peg he can hang his argument on...

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Seems like a form of public suicide + as Aqua mentioned yesterday, social contagion.

I think much, much, much stronger gun control could curb this around the edges - but it won't make the problem go away.

The underlying problem is probably the same as what's driving suicide rates up - isolation and loneliness.

In a personal respect, the internet or multi-player role games are not real. I don't think they can cure lonliness.

[Mik]

Indeed. Distraction is not equal to interaction.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

I only could stand about 4 minutes of it, but Carlson went on a rant blaming Prozac and other SSRIs.

Yeah, there isn't a single topic in the world that guy isn't a fucking expert on.

Yeah, but sometimes he's right.

Is he right about the drugs?

I have no idea, and I probably know as much as he does about these drugs. Actually, a little more, as I do have personal experience with them.

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And to put it very bluntly, if you don't think we have a problem medicating children at the rate we are now, you are simply not aware of the problem or are choosing to willfully ignore it.

I think that the over-medication problem is a fact. The question is whether it is a contributing factor to mass shootings.

Lashing out at things we don't like and blaming them for mass shootings seems to be a thing now.

Maybe mass-shootings are caused by opinionated gob-shites talking incessantly about how awful the world is on 24 hour news channels?

I somehow doubt that Tucker will run with that one.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

I only could stand about 4 minutes of it, but Carlson went on a rant blaming Prozac and other SSRIs.

Yeah, there isn't a single topic in the world that guy isn't a fucking expert on.

Yeah, but sometimes he's right.

Is he right about the drugs?

I have no idea, and I probably know as much as he does about these drugs. Actually, a little more, as I do have personal experience with them.

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And to put it very bluntly, if you don't think we have a problem medicating children at the rate we are now, you are simply not aware of the problem or are choosing to willfully ignore it.

I think that the over-medication problem is a fact. The question is whether it is a contributing factor to mass shootings.

Lashing out at things we don't like and blaming them for mass shootings seems to be a thing now.

Maybe mass-shootings are caused by opinionated gob-shites talking incessantly about how awful the world is on 24 hour news channels?

I somehow doubt that Tucker will run with that one.

You're not a serious man, are you? You're so fixated on what you don't like, you won't consider what is happening right under your own nose.

There are some school districts that are medicating almost 2 out of every 10 boys in the classroom.

Tucker aside, you find no problem with that? And you don't think that much psychological intervention at elementary school levels, doesn't have deleterious consequences?

[George K]

"I confess."

The man accused of killing seven people attending a parade in Highland Park, Illinois, on the Fourth of July has confessed to his role in the massacre, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

Robert “Bobby” E. Crimo III, 21, made his confession in a voluntary statement, according to officials. He has been charged with seven counts of first-degree murder and will likely face more counts over the dozens injured during Monday's attack, the prosecutor announced.

"He went into details about what he had done," Lake County State’s Attorney Eric Rinehart told reporters outside of the county courthouse. "He admitted to what he had done. We don't want to speculate on motives right now."

Police also revealed that after the shooting, Crimo had considered carrying out another attack at a celebration in Madison, Wisconsin. Crimo arrived at the event in Wisconsin but indications are that he had not put in enough thought and research to conduct the attack, Deputy Chief Christopher Covelli said. Crimo ditched his phone while in the Madison area, which was recovered by the FBI on Tuesday, Covelli said.

Crimo's arraignment will likely be in August, and he will be represented in court by the public defender's office, Rinehart said. "Many more charges" will be brought against Crimo, and for every person hurt in the attack, an attempted murder charge and an aggravated battery with a firearm charge will be brought against him, Rinehart said.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

You're not a serious man, are you? You're so fixated on what you don't like, you won't consider what is happening right under your own nose.

There are some school districts that are medicating almost 2 out of every 10 boys in the classroom.

Tucker aside, you find no problem with that? And you don't think that much psychological intervention at elementary school levels, doesn't have deleterious consequences?

There are many problems facing us all, and I would discuss them seriously if I thought it was worthwhile. As I said, I have personal experience of ADHD and its treatment. I'm sure you're right that Ritalin is over-prescribed, but it can also be very helpful with quite serious problems, and the generalization of kids being doped up to the eyeballs isn't an accurate description of my own experience.

Tucker isn't really helping with his ranting. Tom Cruise goes on a lot about over-medication, too.

[Catseye3]

@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

The man accused of killing seven people attending a parade in Highland Park, Illinois, on the Fourth of July has confessed to his role in the massacre

I'm surprised to see this. I'd have thought his public defender would have discouraged it as harmful to his interests at trial.

[George K]

@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

I'm surprised to see this. I'd have thought his public defender would have discouraged it as harmful to his interests at trial.

Me too. Perhaps he thinks he'll get a more lenient sentence if he pleads guilty. OTOH, he's facing 7 counts of first-degree murder, and there's no death penalty in Illinois, so...

But I've also heard that there's a possibility of him being charged with federal crimes (terrorism), and the death penalty is on the table.

[taiwan_girl]

Japan, which has about 150 million people, has about 10 gun dead per year.

Requirements to own a gun in Japan

• go to an all day class

• pass a written test on guns

• achieve 95% accuracy at the shooting range

• mental health evaluation at hospital

• background check with includes interviews with family and friends

• every three years, repeat

• each county can have a maximum of three gun shops

• to get a new gun clip of ammunition, must turn in an empty one

• when a gun owner dies, their guns much be turned in

[Catseye3]

@taiwan_girl said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Requirements to own a gun in Japan

Probably the restriction on number of gun shops per county would cause a dustup here, but I see no reason to not adopt the other requirements.

Thanks for posting them, TG.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Japan, which has about 150 million people, has about 10 gun dead per year.

Requirements to own a gun in Japan

• go to an all day class

• pass a written test on guns

• achieve 95% accuracy at the shooting range

• mental health evaluation at hospital

• background check with includes interviews with family and friends

• every three years, repeat

• each county can have a maximum of three gun shops

• to get a new gun clip of ammunition, must turn in an empty one

• when a gun owner dies, their guns much be turned in

Shall not be infringed. There are some you could probably do. Reasonable tests, a safety class...Maybe not an accuracy test. The mental health evaluation could get sticky, as could interviewing family members. Remember, shall not be infringed.

As for confiscation upon death, that's a no-go. I've seen family splits over who gets which ones of Dad's guns.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@taiwan_girl said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Japan, which has about 150 million people, has about 10 gun dead per year.

Requirements to own a gun in Japan

• go to an all day class

• pass a written test on guns

• achieve 95% accuracy at the shooting range

• mental health evaluation at hospital

• background check with includes interviews with family and friends

• every three years, repeat

• each county can have a maximum of three gun shops

• to get a new gun clip of ammunition, must turn in an empty one

• when a gun owner dies, their guns much be turned in

Shall not be infringed. There are some you could probably do. Reasonable tests, a safety class...Maybe not an accuracy test. The mental health evaluation could get sticky, as could interviewing family members. Remember, shall not be infringed.

As for confiscation upon death, that's a no-go. I've seen family splits over who gets which ones of Dad's guns.

So, we get to give up our computer games, medication, our Sunday mornings taking the bloody kids to church, stop watching exciting movies, spend less time on the internet.....

And gun owners sacrifice what, exactly?