Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade

[Jolly]

One more time...

We've always had firearms. We've had magazine fed, centerfire, semi-autos readily available since the early 1900's for pistols and the 1950's for rifles.

Why have mass shootings become so commonplace today?

[Mik]

Isolation and powerlessness.

[Catseye3]

Overcrowding. Cumulative effects of poor nutrition creating brain imbalances not readily apparent to outsiders until -- boom.

[Doctor Phibes]

Why do mass shootings appear to be so much more common in the USA?

I know there are examples of it happening elsewhere, but it certainly seems like this is particularly a problem here.

It seems like this is an important question to ask. Other countries have isolation, overcrowding, poor nutrition and so on.

[George K]

I only could stand about 4 minutes of it, but Carlson went on a rant blaming Prozac and other SSRIs.

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

I only could stand about 4 minutes of it, but Carlson went on a rant blaming Prozac and other SSRIs.

Yeah, there isn't a single topic in the world that guy isn't a fucking expert on.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

I only could stand about 4 minutes of it, but Carlson went on a rant blaming Prozac and other SSRIs.

Yeah, there isn't a single topic in the world that guy isn't a fucking expert on.

Yeah, but sometimes he's right.

Is he right about the drugs?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

I only could stand about 4 minutes of it, but Carlson went on a rant blaming Prozac and other SSRIs.

Yeah, there isn't a single topic in the world that guy isn't a fucking expert on.

Yeah, but sometimes he's right.

Is he right about the drugs?

I have no idea, and I probably know as much as he does about these drugs. Actually, a little more, as I do have personal experience with them.

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

[Catseye3]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

It seems like this is an important question to ask. Other countries have isolation, overcrowding, poor nutrition and so on.

Gun culture. America kind of grew up with guns. Maybe guns are in our DNA. That is, when frustration arises, Americans are quicker to look to their guns as problem solvers than other countries or cultures, because guns have always been there.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

It seems like this is an important question to ask. Other countries have isolation, overcrowding, poor nutrition and so on.

Gun culture. America kind of grew up with guns. Maybe guns are in our DNA. That is, when frustration arises, Americans are quicker to look to their guns as problem solvers than other countries or cultures, because guns have always been there.

That's clearly one answer. There might be other things, too.

[George K]

Link to video

[Jolly]

@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

It seems like this is an important question to ask. Other countries have isolation, overcrowding, poor nutrition and so on.

Gun culture. America kind of grew up with guns. Maybe guns are in our DNA. That is, when frustration arises, Americans are quicker to look to their guns as problem solvers than other countries or cultures, because guns have always been there.

I would say so, but much of the rural South is awash in firearms. I'm not talking two or three, I'm talking eight or ten, common. Twenty doesn't even raise an eyebrow.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

I only could stand about 4 minutes of it, but Carlson went on a rant blaming Prozac and other SSRIs.

Yeah, there isn't a single topic in the world that guy isn't a fucking expert on.

Yeah, but sometimes he's right.

Is he right about the drugs?

I have no idea, and I probably know as much as he does about these drugs. Actually, a little more, as I do have personal experience with them.

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And to put it very bluntly, if you don't think we have a problem medicating children at the rate we are now, you are simply not aware of the problem or are choosing to willfully ignore it.

I think that the over-medication problem is a fact. The question is whether it is a contributing factor to mass shootings.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And still Tucker Carlson has racked up piss poor record with the facts.
See https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/

Given that track record, maybe you should trust a random loudmouth guy down the shops more than you trust Carlson.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And still Tucker Carlson has racked up piss poor record with the facts.
See https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/

Given that track record, maybe you should trust a random loudmouth guy down the shops more than you trust Carlson.

You can cherry-pick anything. I can cobble up enough of your dribble to convince folks that you are a lying prick with no social graces whatsoever. If anybody talks long enough and addresses any controversial subject, anybody can be accused of such.

Tucker is on the air five days a week, one hour per day. More on Fox Nation.

If he's wrong 5% of the time, that means he's right 95%.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Why should I listen to Tucker Carlson any more than I should listen to, say, some loudmouth guy down the shops?

Because he talks to few million more people than the guy down at the shops and he has hordes fact-checking every word out of his mouth.

And still Tucker Carlson has racked up piss poor record with the facts.
See https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/

Given that track record, maybe you should trust a random loudmouth guy down the shops more than you trust Carlson.

You can cherry-pick anything. I can cobble up enough of your dribble to convince folks that you are a lying prick with no social graces whatsoever. If anybody talks long enough and addresses any controversial subject, anybody can be accused of such.

Tucker is on the air five days a week, one hour per day. More on Fox Nation.

If he's wrong 5% of the time, that means he's right 95%.

The stats say his claims are 89% “mostly false,” “false,” and “pants on fire.”

[mark]

If I had a any proclivity toward being a hermit before, all of this crap makes it seem like the correct attitude in our "modern, civilized" world.

Last night, I moved the .45ACP into a more strategic location, along with a few magazines full of Hornady, Critical Defense rounds. It was too close to an entry door for my liking. The .22 is also in a nice strategic place. In all my 60 years of life, I have never had even a hint of activity that would require me to defend myself with a gun.

I loved the science of ammo, guns, with typical gear-head like enthusiasm. I no longer have any of that enthusiasm, but I am glad I own a few guns. Still need to get that shotgun I have been talking about for a few years.

In our "modern, civilized" world.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

Why do mass shootings appear to be so much more common in the USA?

Because the other countries that have way more mass shootings than us report them in Spanish, we don't understand.

And we don't really care about those countries.

[Copper]

@Axtremus said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:

The stats say his claims are 89% “mostly false,” “false,” and “pants on fire.”

politifacts is pure political trash, correct roughly 2 or 3% of the time.

[xenon]

Seems like a form of public suicide + as Aqua mentioned yesterday, social contagion.

I think much, much, much stronger gun control could curb this around the edges - but it won't make the problem go away.

The underlying problem is probably the same as what's driving suicide rates up - isolation and loneliness.