Give 'em hell, Neil.
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@Mik said in Give 'em hell, Neil.:
So what? How is that kid harmed by kneeling down and shutting his eyes for a few seconds? I've done it many, many times not out of any religious faith just out of respect for those I am associating with. There are times to take a stand, and times to just shut up and respect the views of others. It's part of civil society.
How is the coach harmed by not kneeling down at the 50 yard line while on the clock as a state employee? There are plenty of other times he could be kneeling down in his own private time while not on the clock as an agent of the state. “There are times to take a stand, and times to just shut up and respect the views of others; it’s part of civil society” could just have been as easily said to the coach. A middle-aged coach should have known that much better than a bunch of kids, don’t you think?
Compare this to you complaining about a drag queen reading books to children at a library — why didn’t you tell the kids to just shut up and respect the view of others then? In the case of book reading at the library, the book reader is a private volunteer (not an agent of the state) and the kids don’t even have to “shut up and respect the view of others,” the kids can be there or not be there with zero pressure, zero impact on his social standing — it’s a true voluntary reader, voluntary attendee environment. If you yourself could not put up with the book reading by a private volunteer with zero authority, why ask the kids to put up with the kneeling of a coach who is a state employee with state-delegated authority? Where is your “small government,” “limited government” bona fide?
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@Mik @Jolly Maybe I was not very clear.
I was not saying that what the coach was doing was right or wrong, just that I would think there was probably some "unseen" or "subtle" pressure to go along with what the coach does.
I believe that kids at that age want to "belong". Of course, not 100% of kids, but the ones that do their own thing are probably not on the football team.
If there were 50 kids on the team, and one of them decides not to participate, I think we would be looked at differently, and not in a positive way.
Part of my thinking is probably cultural. There seems to be more "respect" for teachers etc. in Tiawan than in the US. We can argue if that is good or bad, but that is the way I grew up, and if a similar situation happened in Taiwan, I can almost say for sure that 100% of the students would follow the coach, even if 99% of them were atheist.
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And it wouldn't hurt them one little bit. We have pressure to do all sorts of things in society. That is the entire nature of civilization. We give up some individual freedoms to reap the benefit of a cohesive whole. There will always be some degree of conformity required. This is what the coach believes is good for his team.
"My pronouns are FA/FO." - Mik, 2024
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@Mik said in Give 'em hell, Neil.:
And it wouldn't hurt them one little bit. We have pressure to do all sorts of things in society. That is the entire nature of civilization. We give up some individual freedoms to reap the benefit of a cohesive whole. There will always be some degree of conformity required. This is what the coach believes is good for his team.
It would not have hurt the coach one little bit to not kneel at the 50 yard line while on the clock as an agent of the state. We have pressure to do all sort of things in society. That is is the entire nature of civilization. We give up some individual freedoms to reap the benefits of a cohesive whole. There will always be some degree of conformity required. The coach could have done better by giving up his little bit of self-righteousness.
@Mik argues to let the kids bear the pressure and spare the coach.
I say let the coach (the adult) bear the pressure and spare the kids. -
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@Axtremus said in Give 'em hell, Neil.:
Dude, I am sharing my wisdom to help you see the other, better side that you have not been able to see on your own. You should be thanking me.
No you are promoting a universe of anarchy, where no human would want to, or could, live.
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@Jolly said in Give 'em hell, Neil.:
@Axtremus said in Give 'em hell, Neil.:
Dude, I am sharing my wisdom to help you see the other, better side that you have not been able to see on your own. You should be thanking me.
No you are promoting a universe of anarchy, where no human would want to, or could, live.
What? You think a public school football game without a state employee kneeling at the 50 yard line is “anarchy”? What kind of snowflake are you?
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Larry is right.
You Do drool on your shoes...
