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Anybody know shoulders?

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    I don’t see the orthopedic surgeon until Tuesday.

    FINDINGS:
    Rotator cuff: There is a high-grade partial-
    thickness articular surface tear involving the
    entirety of the infraspinatus tendon, spanning 75
    % thickness, with delamination and retraction by
    5.5 cm to the level of the glenoid (series 6:18).
    There is a hematoma at the myotendinous
    junction of the infraspinatus measuring 1.6x 3.1
    × 1.2 cm. The supraspinatus tendon is intact with
    mild tendinosis. The subscapularis and teres
    minor tendons are intact. There is edema in the
    infraspinatus muscle. The remainder of the
    rotator cuff musculature is well maintained
    without atrophy or signal abnormality.

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    George K
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    @jon-nyc the rotator cuff consists of several muscles. Suprapinatus, infraspinatus, teres major and teres minor, and subscapularis.

    Sounds like you tore the infraspinatus, but it's not a full-thickness tear. The presence of the hematoma indicates that it might be recent? The edema along the infraspinatus also suggests that.

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    The infraspinatus is involved with external rotation of the shoulder - hold your arm like holding a pistol, then turn your arm outward, that's external rotation.

    The fact that it's not a full-thickness tear is a good thing. It might heal down and scar along the tear - but this can take months.

    Most older adults have some degree of rotator cuff disease - the question is whether it needs intervention. Be assured, rotator cuff repair is no fun.

    The major reasons to do rotator cuff surgery are to prevent (stop) pain, and to prevent "rotator cuff artropathy. When the muscles no longer support the shoulder, the humerus migrates into the glenoid (socket) and you get bone-on-bone wear.

    Screen Shot 2022-07-01 at 3.20.58 PM copy.jpg

    That takes years to develop, and the only solution is a total shoulder replacement.

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    I would get more than one opinion on this, and I'd let your degree of disability be your guide.

    I tore my right cuff in my sleep (it woke me!). For about 6 weeks, I could not extend my arm and needed to keep my elbow by my side. It made sitting at the piano awkward.

    The shoulder is a complicated joint, and only one of two major joints that is not supported by bone abutting bone. Instead all support is by the muscles.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Jolly
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      Wife has had a couple of rotator cuff surgeries.

      Not fun.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Larry
        wrote on last edited by Larry
        #4

        Blonde, taking a shower at her new boyfriend's house for the first time, is reading the bottles:

        "Honey......., how do I give Shoulders?".....

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          kluurs
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          #5

          This is a subject I know nothing about; however, since I like to make everything about me, I did look up information and discovered that half of people over the age of 70 will have a rotator cuff injury.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I don’t see the orthopedic surgeon until Tuesday.

            FINDINGS:
            Rotator cuff: There is a high-grade partial-
            thickness articular surface tear involving the
            entirety of the infraspinatus tendon, spanning 75
            % thickness, with delamination and retraction by
            5.5 cm to the level of the glenoid (series 6:18).
            There is a hematoma at the myotendinous
            junction of the infraspinatus measuring 1.6x 3.1
            × 1.2 cm. The supraspinatus tendon is intact with
            mild tendinosis. The subscapularis and teres
            minor tendons are intact. There is edema in the
            infraspinatus muscle. The remainder of the
            rotator cuff musculature is well maintained
            without atrophy or signal abnormality.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #6

            @jon-nyc said in Anybody know shoulders?:

            There is edema in the
            infraspinatus muscle. The remainder of the
            rotator cuff musculature is well maintained
            without atrophy or signal abnormality.

            BTW: This is hugely important. You're approaching geezerdom (I was 58 when I tore my cuff). It's gonna be uncomfortable, but if this were my MRI, I'd NSAID up and wait half a year.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              George K
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              #7

              Mrs. George, who has both shoulders replaced - those are her x-rays -asks if you're sleeping at night.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Horace
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                #8

                I know Joey Shoulders - surprised you do. If you need his services, PM me. I don’t talk about him in public.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #9

                  I’m sleeping now but I had a few bad days.

                  I was rotating my arms jacking up a car on June 8th. It hurt. And I go to the gym 6 days a week.

                  I figured it was some muscle issue and would resolve in 2-3 days. It got progressively worse for 9 days so I scheduled a visit with a shoulder guy (he was team physician for the Minnesota Twins and was assistant physician for the Yankees - yeah he prolly knows a thing or two about shoulders.)

                  They did xr on site that showed nothing (as expected) and ordered MRI. MRI was yesterday, but I don’t see him until Tuesday.

                  I’m in far less pain now but I don’t have full strength (by far) and some basic motions cause pain.

                  We’ll see what he suggests Tuesday.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • George KG George K

                    @jon-nyc said in Anybody know shoulders?:

                    There is edema in the
                    infraspinatus muscle. The remainder of the
                    rotator cuff musculature is well maintained
                    without atrophy or signal abnormality.

                    BTW: This is hugely important. You're approaching geezerdom (I was 58 when I tore my cuff). It's gonna be uncomfortable, but if this were my MRI, I'd NSAID up and wait half a year.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @George-K said in Anybody know shoulders?:).

                    It's gonna be uncomfortable, but if this were my MRI, I'd NSAID up and wait half a year.

                    I can’t do NSAIDs. Transplant meds screw my kidneys.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @George-K said in Anybody know shoulders?:).

                      It's gonna be uncomfortable, but if this were my MRI, I'd NSAID up and wait half a year.

                      I can’t do NSAIDs. Transplant meds screw my kidneys.

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                      @jon-nyc acetaminophen? Not anti-inflammatory, but good analgesic.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @jon-nyc acetaminophen? Not anti-inflammatory, but good analgesic.

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #12

                        @George-K Can do. Also eat prednisone daily.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          At least with daily prednisone you'll die with a smile on your face. 😛

                          Happy Juice, FTW...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Surgeon recommended non-surgical options. That is always comforting.

                            Going to get a PRP injection and do physical therapy

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Surgeon recommended non-surgical options. That is always comforting.

                              Going to get a PRP injection and do physical therapy

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                              @jon-nyc said in Anybody know shoulders?:

                              Surgeon recommended non-surgical options. That is always comforting.

                              Excellent. With a non through-and-through tear, it should heal up with PT and scar down. It'll be a slow process, however. Mine took about 6-8 weeks to stop hurting.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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