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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

    This article breaks down various parts of Hutchinson's testimony, carefully classifying for which parts she testified as a direct witness and for which other parts she provided second hand recounting ("hearsay"), and calling out the significance of each:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/29/cassidy-hutchinsons-bombshell-donald-trump/7767294001/

    It turns out for the most part she was a direct witness to events recounted in her testimony; only on the "Trump tried to grab the steering wheel" part did she recounted the event second hand.

    My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

    Now, I figure if the woman would lie about something as easily discernable as people fighting over a steering wheel, the truth ain't in her.

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    @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

    My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

    How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

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      A bad day for Mr. Trump

      would be a good day for almost anyone else.

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      • George KG George K

        @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

        My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

        As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

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        @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

        As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

        1. Has it been established that there is a falsehood in Hutchinson’s testimony?

        2. Is the aforementioned legal principle applicable here? Think of it this way: every one lies about something at some points in their lives, a strict universal application of that principle would disqualify every testimony. Yet we live in the world where many testimonies have been accepted. So clearly that principle is only applied under some conditions but not others.

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

          As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

          1. Has it been established that there is a falsehood in Hutchinson’s testimony?

          2. Is the aforementioned legal principle applicable here? Think of it this way: every one lies about something at some points in their lives, a strict universal application of that principle would disqualify every testimony. Yet we live in the world where many testimonies have been accepted. So clearly that principle is only applied under some conditions but not others.

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          @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

          @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

          As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

          1. Has it been established that there is a falsehood in Hutchinson’s testimony?

          No, not specifically. However, there are two things that come into play.

          1. She was inconsistent in her use of "The Beast" vs a Secret Service SUV. Which was it? Were you confused? Was the person who told you this confused? In either case, why should she be believed if she can't get her story straight as to where it happened, as told by a third party.

          2. If her testimony can be countered by people who were there (i.e. the Secret Service agents), why believe anything else she said?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

            @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

            As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

            1. Has it been established that there is a falsehood in Hutchinson’s testimony?

            No, not specifically. However, there are two things that come into play.

            1. She was inconsistent in her use of "The Beast" vs a Secret Service SUV. Which was it? Were you confused? Was the person who told you this confused? In either case, why should she be believed if she can't get her story straight as to where it happened, as told by a third party.

            2. If her testimony can be countered by people who were there (i.e. the Secret Service agents), why believe anything else she said?

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            @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

            @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

            @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

            As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

            1. Has it been established that there is a falsehood in Hutchinson’s testimony?

            No, not specifically.

            OK, I will just wait until a falsehood has been established (if that ever happens) before going further with this line of inquiry.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

              My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

              How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

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              @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

              @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

              My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

              How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

              Nice deflection.

              Now, quit the gags and stick to the subject.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

                As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

                1. Has it been established that there is a falsehood in Hutchinson’s testimony?

                2. Is the aforementioned legal principle applicable here? Think of it this way: every one lies about something at some points in their lives, a strict universal application of that principle would disqualify every testimony. Yet we live in the world where many testimonies have been accepted. So clearly that principle is only applied under some conditions but not others.

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                @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                @George-K said in A bad day for Trump:

                As I said above, a legal principle is "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus."

                1. Has it been established that there is a falsehood in Hutchinson’s testimony?

                2. Is the aforementioned legal principle applicable here? Think of it this way: every one lies about something at some points in their lives, a strict universal application of that principle would disqualify every testimony. Yet we live in the world where many testimonies have been accepted. So clearly that principle is only applied under some conditions but not others.

                1. Yes. If the Secret Service has notified the committee that agents will be happy to be sworn in to refute her testimony, I consider her to be lying.
                2. Weasel words.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                  @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                  My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                  How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

                  Nice deflection.

                  Now, quit the gags and stick to the subject.

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                  @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                  @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                  @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                  My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                  How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

                  Nice deflection.

                  You brought out a Uncle Henry quote, I asked a direct Uncle Henry question; no deflection at all. You are the one deflecting from my direct question.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                    @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                    @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                    My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                    How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

                    Nice deflection.

                    You brought out a Uncle Henry quote, I asked a direct Uncle Henry question; no deflection at all. You are the one deflecting from my direct question.

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                    @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                    @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                    @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                    @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                    My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                    How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

                    Nice deflection.

                    I brought out a Uncle Henry quote, I asked a direct Uncle Henry question; no deflection at all. You are the one deflecting from my direct question.

                    No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                      @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                      @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                      @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                      My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                      How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

                      Nice deflection.

                      I brought out a Uncle Henry quote, I asked a direct Uncle Henry question; no deflection at all. You are the one deflecting from my direct question.

                      No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.

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                      @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                      @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                      @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                      @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                      @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                      My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                      How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

                      Nice deflection.

                      I brought out a Uncle Henry quote, I asked a direct Uncle Henry question; no deflection at all. You are the one deflecting from my direct question.

                      No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, …

                      Of course not, you are the one who brought out Uncle Henry with a quote attributed to Uncle Henry. I asked an Uncle Henry question only after you brought out an Uncle Henry quote.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                        This article breaks down various parts of Hutchinson's testimony, carefully classifying for which parts she testified as a direct witness and for which other parts she provided second hand recounting ("hearsay"), and calling out the significance of each:

                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/29/cassidy-hutchinsons-bombshell-donald-trump/7767294001/

                        It turns out for the most part she was a direct witness to events recounted in her testimony; only on the "Trump tried to grab the steering wheel" part did she recounted the event second hand.

                        My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                        Now, I figure if the woman would lie about something as easily discernable as people fighting over a steering wheel, the truth ain't in her.

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                        @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                        @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                        This article breaks down various parts of Hutchinson's testimony, carefully classifying for which parts she testified as a direct witness and for which other parts she provided second hand recounting ("hearsay"), and calling out the significance of each:

                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/29/cassidy-hutchinsons-bombshell-donald-trump/7767294001/

                        It turns out for the most part she was a direct witness to events recounted in her testimony; only on the "Trump tried to grab the steering wheel" part did she recounted the event second hand.

                        My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                        Now, I figure if the woman would lie about something as easily discernable as people fighting over a steering wheel, the truth ain't in her.

                        How does your Uncle Henry’s wisdom affect your view of President Trump?

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          Uncle Henry also liked having money in his pocket.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Fun with Jessie...

                            Link to video

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Wasn’t Trump attacked by the left for not showing up at the Capitol when he told the protesters he would be?

                              The Brad

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  As Greenwood says further down in the Tweet:

                                  "It's literally impossible to count how many times during the Trump years some blockbuster! Russiagate event materialized - the thing that was going to be the fatal blow - and journalists spent all day on Twitter reflexively peddling it, only to watch it fall apart over and over."

                                  THIS alone is why I don't believe any of this crap.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    There is a speech pattern in her testimony that occurs over and over again. IIRC, it's words to the effect. It's obvious she was coached up for her testimony by a lawyer or legal team that knew her story was full of hearsay and holes, and needed to CYA the silliness.

                                    She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.

                                    Just another ploy ginned up by this guy...

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                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      There is a speech pattern in her testimony that occurs over and over again. IIRC, it's words to the effect. It's obvious she was coached up for her testimony by a lawyer or legal team that knew her story was full of hearsay and holes, and needed to CYA the silliness.

                                      She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.

                                      Just another ploy ginned up by this guy...

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                                      @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                                      There is a speech pattern in her testimony that occurs over and over again. IIRC, it's words to the effect. It's obvious she was coached up for her testimony by a lawyer or legal team that knew her story was full of hearsay and holes, and needed to CYA the silliness.

                                      You keep repeating the falsehood that her testimony is “full of hearsay.” The fact is that her testimony has a lot more “direct witness” material than hearsay. E.g., among things recounted in her testimony:

                                      • Trump saying to remove the magnetometers and let armed protesters in … she’s a direct witness to Trump saying those things.

                                      • Then White House counsel Pat Cipollone’s warning about the criminal liability leading up to Jan. 6 … she’s direct witness to Cipollone making the warning

                                      • Kevin McCarthy’s phone call to Hutchinson expressing surprise and anger that Trump said (while speaking to a crowd) that he was going to the Capitol and McCarthy telling the Trump team not to go to the Capitol … she’s direct witness and party to that phone call, McCarthy called her.

                                      • After the Capitol was breached, then White House counsel Pat Cipollone’s angry reaction to Trump’s inaction, Cipollone’s verbalized worry about the Trump team being responsible for people dying as a result … she’s direct witness to Cipollone’s reactions and statements.

                                      Itemizing the events recounted in her testimony (and the USA Today article I linked to earlier did that) and you would see that there are a lot more “direct witness” matters than “hearsay” in her testimony.

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                                        @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                                        @Axtremus said in A bad day for Trump:

                                        @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                                        My old Uncle Henry used to say, If a person will lie about one thing, they'll lie about something else.

                                        How often does Uncle Henry think Trump is lying?

                                        Nice deflection.

                                        I brought out a Uncle Henry quote, I asked a direct Uncle Henry question; no deflection at all. You are the one deflecting from my direct question.

                                        No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.

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                                        @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                                        No, you've never met Uncle Henry, you don't know Uncle Henry, and you look enough like a "slant-eyed bastard" as he termed most folks of Asian descent, that I doubt you'd have said boo-shit to the man.

                                        So because your Uncle Henry disliked people of Asian descent, people of Asian descent are by definition fearful of Uncle Henry??

                                        Did Uncle Henry know about the Bataan Death March, by chance?

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          There is a speech pattern in her testimony that occurs over and over again. IIRC, it's words to the effect. It's obvious she was coached up for her testimony by a lawyer or legal team that knew her story was full of hearsay and holes, and needed to CYA the silliness.

                                          She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.

                                          Just another ploy ginned up by this guy...

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                                          @Jolly said in A bad day for Trump:

                                          She changed to a Democrat lawyer three weeks before her testimony.

                                          She changed to a lawyer who was nominated by Trump to lead the DOJ’s Civil Division and was formerly US Attorney General Jeff Session’s Chief of Staff. That’s not a “Democrat lawyer.”

                                          Now that I have shown you a falsehood in what you said, are you going to “Uncle Henry” everything else you say here? Should @George-K “falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus” everything else you say here?

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