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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #130

    Man the Uvalde police really screwed the pooch.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Man the Uvalde police really screwed the pooch.

      CopperC Online
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      Copper
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      #131

      @jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:

      Man the Uvalde police really screwed the pooch.

      Yes, cnn and fox are both raking them over the coals. Almost, but not quite, coming right out and calling them yellow.

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      • CopperC Online
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        Copper
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        #132

        AOC blames men

        https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-patriarchy-masculinity-texas-school-shooting

        Ocasio-Cortez called out America's "patriarchal society" and masculinity "rooted in the subjugation of other people" on the day after the attack.

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #133

          So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

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          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • Catseye3C Offline
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            Catseye3
            wrote on last edited by Catseye3
            #134

            "Ocasio-Cortez called out America's "patriarchal society" and masculinity "rooted in the subjugation of other people" on the day after the attack."

            Other people.
            ^

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            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              #135

              https://www.reuters.com/world/us/protesters-holding-photos-shooting-victims-gather-outside-nra-convention-texas-2022-05-27/

              HOUSTON (Reuters) - A group of protesters angered over the shooting deaths of Texas elementary school students converged Friday outside the gun-lobby National Rifle Association’s annual convention in Houston.
              ...

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/protesters-holding-photos-shooting-victims-gather-outside-nra-convention-texas-2022-05-27/

                HOUSTON (Reuters) - A group of protesters angered over the shooting deaths of Texas elementary school students converged Friday outside the gun-lobby National Rifle Association’s annual convention in Houston.
                ...

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                #136

                @Axtremus said in Texas shooting.:

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/protesters-holding-photos-shooting-victims-gather-outside-nra-convention-texas-2022-05-27/

                HOUSTON (Reuters) - A group of protesters angered over the shooting deaths of Texas elementary school students converged Friday outside the gun-lobby National Rifle Association’s annual convention in Houston.
                ...

                Not surprised. Only surprised if it doesn't get a little crazy.

                Please love yourself.

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                • CopperC Online
                  CopperC Online
                  Copper
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                  #137

                  I'll bet most of those NRA people had nothing to do with the shooting.

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #138

                    Now the Texas authorities and the Uvalde police are saying they screwed up.

                    It makes one wonder. If trained LEOs could not stop this, how would a minimally trained teacher.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Now the Texas authorities and the Uvalde police are saying they screwed up.

                      It makes one wonder. If trained LEOs could not stop this, how would a minimally trained teacher.

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #139

                      @Mik said in Texas shooting.:

                      Now the Texas authorities and the Uvalde police are saying they screwed up.

                      Open yer checkbooks...

                      It makes one wonder. If trained LEOs could not stop this, how would a minimally trained teacher.

                      Wait, what? Wait. That's exactly what the cops did, because Brave Sir Robin.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
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                        #140

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                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • HoraceH Online
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                          Horace
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                          #141

                          Elementary school kids apparently do more active shooter drills than police forces do. There's no way the Uvalde cops were prepared for this by any forethought. This will be a learning moment for law enforcement organizations across the country. I would have assumed they didn't need this lesson.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • MikM Mik

                            So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

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                            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #142

                            @Mik said in Texas shooting.:

                            So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

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                            How is this worse than blaming it on trans-sexuals?

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Mik said in Texas shooting.:

                              So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

                              alt text

                              How is this worse than blaming it on trans-sexuals?

                              HoraceH Online
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                              Horace
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                              #143

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

                              @Mik said in Texas shooting.:

                              So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

                              alt text

                              How is this worse than blaming it on trans-sexuals?

                              The trans sexual thing appears to have gone away with some fact checking. That’s why it’s not as bad. Because it was falsifiable. This gentlelady”s opinion on the other hand is religious and not falsifiable. And of course mainstream adjacent, it not entirely mainstream.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

                                @Mik said in Texas shooting.:

                                So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

                                alt text

                                How is this worse than blaming it on trans-sexuals?

                                The trans sexual thing appears to have gone away with some fact checking. That’s why it’s not as bad. Because it was falsifiable. This gentlelady”s opinion on the other hand is religious and not falsifiable. And of course mainstream adjacent, it not entirely mainstream.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #144

                                @Horace Actually it is falsifiable. Blacks commit the overwhelming majority of mass shootings (>70%) despite being only 13% of the population.

                                At least as defined by ‘4 or more people shot’.

                                https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/us/americas-overlooked-gun-violence.html

                                It just is covered differently. Think of all the headlines like “8 people were shot in Chicago this weekend in two separate incidents involving firearms, including a young girl….”

                                Another difference is that the lone white crazy guy sticks around and finishes off the wounded and is often prepared to confront police. The typical black shooter intends to lie low at grandma’s until everything blows over, so he runs at the first sign of sirens.

                                Generalizing of course but that’s how it nets out in aggregate.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

                                  @Mik said in Texas shooting.:

                                  So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

                                  alt text

                                  How is this worse than blaming it on trans-sexuals?

                                  The trans sexual thing appears to have gone away with some fact checking. That’s why it’s not as bad. Because it was falsifiable. This gentlelady”s opinion on the other hand is religious and not falsifiable. And of course mainstream adjacent, it not entirely mainstream.

                                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                  #145

                                  @Horace said in Texas shooting.:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

                                  @Mik said in Texas shooting.:

                                  So does my niece. And not just men, white men. She posted this. There is so much fallacious there that one scarcely knows where to start.

                                  alt text

                                  How is this worse than blaming it on trans-sexuals?

                                  The trans sexual thing appears to have gone away with some fact checking. That’s why it’s not as bad. Because it was falsifiable. This gentlelady”s opinion on the other hand is religious and not falsifiable. And of course mainstream adjacent, it not entirely mainstream.

                                  In both cases, the facts are falsifiable, but the opinions that led to the claim remain, in spite of the facts. Jolly essentially said that even though the shooter wasn't trans, he believes that trans people shouldn't be allowed to own guns as they're all 'mentally ill'.

                                  'Mentally ill' is such a massively broad term. Hey, let's stop the 'mentally ill' from owning guns. Even if they show no additional threat? The subset of the mentally ill that actually constitute a threat is very small. Let's expel people who get in a fight! Seriously? How many people didn't get in a fight at school?

                                  How about let's expel teenagers with a disdain for authority? That would pretty effectively end school shootings, for sure, since homeschooling would become the norm, and good luck!

                                  I was only joking

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                    #146

                                    Case in point: Mass shooting in Chicago after buffalo and before ulvide. 9 people shot, 2 dead.

                                    Anyone even hear about it? Maybe George and Ken?

                                    Post and Times didn’t find it newsworthy.

                                    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-mass-shooting-1-in-custody-after-2-killed-8-injured-in-shooting-in-gold-coast-neighborhood-police-say/2837660/?amp

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      #147

                                      Pretty much everybody is blaming another group else, here, which is hardly a unique occurrence when bad things happen.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #148

                                        Admittedly, I haven't gone through the UPD response, but standard policy for most departments in a bad situation is to contain the shooter and let SWAT engage. I think in some instances, that is the wrong response, but I would like to know Uvalde's SOP for their SWAT team.

                                        As for the NRA...Not near what it was. Firearm support is not as focused in that organization as it used to be and people who are focusing their frustration on them are doing nothing.

                                        Over the past few days, I've given several practical things we can do to try to increase security at schools. others have chimed in with their thoughts. Some may work, some might not. After all, we're working with people and people don't always follow the rules.

                                        But...At the end if the day, nobody can stop a determined person from killing other people, not if he is willing to die himself.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Admittedly, I haven't gone through the UPD response, but standard policy for most departments in a bad situation is to contain the shooter and let SWAT engage. I think in some instances, that is the wrong response, but I would like to know Uvalde's SOP for their SWAT team.

                                          As for the NRA...Not near what it was. Firearm support is not as focused in that organization as it used to be and people who are focusing their frustration on them are doing nothing.

                                          Over the past few days, I've given several practical things we can do to try to increase security at schools. others have chimed in with their thoughts. Some may work, some might not. After all, we're working with people and people don't always follow the rules.

                                          But...At the end if the day, nobody can stop a determined person from killing other people, not if he is willing to die himself.

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                                          Catseye3
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                                          #149

                                          @Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

                                          But...At the end if the day, nobody can stop a determined person from killing other people, not if he is willing to die himself.

                                          But it would sure be nice if these twists offed themselves before they took their rage out on others.

                                          This message brought to you by Catseye3, Master of the Obvious.
                                          ^

                                          ETA: Shit, can I say Master???

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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