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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #35

    How about "newspaper readers?"

    Baby Formula Is Hard to Find. Brands and Stores Are Divided Over Why.

    Retailers and formula makers agree that out-of-stocks are a problem. They don’t agree on how severe it is and who is to blame. Chains like Walmart Inc. WMT 0.39%▲ and CVS Health Corp. CVS -0.78%▼ say the manufacturers are having supply issues; formula makers say retailers aren’t getting product to stores once it is delivered.

    “The shelves are just bare,” said Derval Kenny, 65, of Rye, N.Y., who has been trying to help find Similac formula for two infant grandsons who live in Connecticut and New Jersey. “To me, there should be an uproar.”

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    Ms. Kenny, whose grandsons are five and six months old, said she has driven to stores across her county and into neighboring Connecticut and placed an order on Amazon last week that hasn’t yet been delivered. While she hasn’t been able to find the premixed formula bottles that her grandsons use, she has found powdered versions, she said.

    The shortages are intermittent and vary based on retailer and location, said Krishnakumar Davey, president of strategic analytics at IRI, a retail research firm. Nationwide, in-stock levels for baby formula and food are slightly higher than for food products overall. However, Mr. Davey said, some of the nation’s 10 largest retailers had more than 20% of baby formula out of stock the week ended Jan. 2, typical of recent months. An out-of-stock rate above 10% is considered a problem, he said.

    That was in January.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      George K
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      #36

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      Fortune tellers!

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on last edited by
        #37

        This is one of those things that I had no idea was so stupidly political until I had an infant of my own. What possible reason could anybody have for having an opinion on whether or not other people's kids drink formula?

        Please love yourself.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #38

          Now, Biden would be more concerned if it was an Ensure crisis...

          https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2022/05/15/joe-biden-doesnt-give-a-damn-about-baby-formula-or-anything-else-n2607259

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            #39

            Maybe Predient Biden should get involved like Premier Kim does in DPRK

            (http://www.vok.rep.kp/index.php/Data_detail_common/getDetail/iee220413006/8/en)

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #40

              The Asian Corn Pop?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #41

                Mrs. George and I were on the way to our riding lesson this afternoon, and she asked me to explain the cause(s) of this crisis.

                In a tl;dr version, can someone womansplain this to me?

                Limited production in the US...? Why?
                Limited imports...? Why?
                Has this been brewing for a while...? And now you noticed? Should've had a crystal ball, I suppose.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  IIRC, WSJ did a story on the shortage in February. CNN did one last fall.

                  It has been said it took the Whitehouse 6 months to come up with the "Ultra MAGA" term. They were too busy to think about feeding babies...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    #43

                    Now you think it's the government's responsibility to feed babies, eh? Did you think so too when discussing public welfare programs?

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #44

                      I think it's the government's business to not get in the way businesses making baby formula.

                      Besides, I'm the guy that wants to keep babies alive. You're the guy that wants to cut babies to pieces in the womb and then suck them out with a vacuum, to have the bloody body parts splat into a plastic container.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        I think it's the government's business to not get in the way businesses making baby formula.

                        Besides, I'm the guy that wants to keep babies alive. You're the guy that wants to cut babies to pieces in the womb and then suck them out with a vacuum, to have the bloody body parts splat into a plastic container.

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                        Axtremus
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                        @Jolly said in Baby Formula:

                        I think it's the government's business to not get in the way businesses making baby formula.

                        Consider what happened when a government did not sufficiently got in the way businesses making baby formula:

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

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                          And the Chinese tort system is what?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • George KG George K

                            How about "newspaper readers?"

                            Baby Formula Is Hard to Find. Brands and Stores Are Divided Over Why.

                            Retailers and formula makers agree that out-of-stocks are a problem. They don’t agree on how severe it is and who is to blame. Chains like Walmart Inc. WMT 0.39%▲ and CVS Health Corp. CVS -0.78%▼ say the manufacturers are having supply issues; formula makers say retailers aren’t getting product to stores once it is delivered.

                            “The shelves are just bare,” said Derval Kenny, 65, of Rye, N.Y., who has been trying to help find Similac formula for two infant grandsons who live in Connecticut and New Jersey. “To me, there should be an uproar.”

                            Advertisement - Scroll to Continue

                            Ms. Kenny, whose grandsons are five and six months old, said she has driven to stores across her county and into neighboring Connecticut and placed an order on Amazon last week that hasn’t yet been delivered. While she hasn’t been able to find the premixed formula bottles that her grandsons use, she has found powdered versions, she said.

                            The shortages are intermittent and vary based on retailer and location, said Krishnakumar Davey, president of strategic analytics at IRI, a retail research firm. Nationwide, in-stock levels for baby formula and food are slightly higher than for food products overall. However, Mr. Davey said, some of the nation’s 10 largest retailers had more than 20% of baby formula out of stock the week ended Jan. 2, typical of recent months. An out-of-stock rate above 10% is considered a problem, he said.

                            That was in January.

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                            George K
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                            @George-K said in Baby Formula:

                            How about "newspaper readers?"

                            The whistleblower complaint about Abbott labs came forward in February. A month into the Biden presidency.

                            Abbott and the Food and Drug Administration were alerted to a whistleblower complaint about Abbott's Sturgis infant formula plant as far back as February 2021, ABC News has confirmed.

                            This complaint, filed with the U.S. Labor Department's Occupational Safety and Health Administration, alleges quality control concerns at Abbott's formula plant in Sturgis, Michigan -- a year before the company's massive recall and shutdown in February 2022 following contamination concerns, which helped exacerbate a nationwide shortage in baby formula, according to sources familiar with the matter.

                            OSHA received a complaint from a whistleblower on Feb 16, 2021, and sent a copy three days later to the FDA and Abbott, according to a person familiar with the matter.

                            The complaint raises further questions about when both Abbott and federal health authorities first knew about quality and contamination concerns at the Sturgis plant, and why it took so long for action to be taken.

                            The OSHA complaint, first reported by WSJ, alleges problems at the Sturgis plant like faulty equipment in need of repair or upgrade and inadequate safety validation for released product.

                            It was filed several months before similar allegations were made in another whistleblower report, which flagged contamination concerns at the Sturgis plant in October 2021, according to sources familiar with the matter.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              IIRC, there have not been any serious adverse effects directly linked back to the formula.

                              Could not the plant been allowed to continue to operate, as long as federal inspectors were monitoring the process?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Now, the rest of the story …

                                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-08-25/baby-formula-shortage-a-deadly-bacteria-and-abbott-s-abt-missteps

                                If anyone still cares, Bloomberg published a nice article with timeline of events leading up to and the subsequent resolution of the baby formula shortage of 2022, with hindsight analysis and stories of individuals adversely affected by the tainted formula, etc.

                                Anyone here still seeing impacts of baby formula shortage on people you personally know?

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                                  Fortunately I’ve been breast fed all year.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    IOW, if the government had done what they were supposed to do, the chances are the company would have been in compliance.

                                    But while local cops, firefighters, grocery clerks and hospital workers did their jobs (some who were fired for not taking the vaccine), the inspectors sat at home and collected their paychecks.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      IOW, if the government had done what they were supposed to do, the chances are the company would have been in compliance.

                                      But while local cops, firefighters, grocery clerks and hospital workers did their jobs (some who were fired for not taking the vaccine), the inspectors sat at home and collected their paychecks.

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                                      @Jolly said in Baby Formula:

                                      IOW, if the government had done what they were supposed to do, the chances are the company would have been in compliance.

                                      … the inspectors sat at home and collected their paychecks.

                                      What policy remedies would you suggest? More stringent inspection standard and more elaborate, higher frequency inspection schedules? Hire more and better quality inspectors? Retrain (and in some cases replace) the existing inspectors? (If you were to replace some inspectors, how would you identify who to replace, and how would you increase the likelihood that the replacements will work better than those replaced?)

                                      Looking into the FDA’s funding history, the usual “the FDA has been chronically underfunded” complaints aside, I also see that the FDA is increasingly reliant on “user fees” (as opposed to Congress appropriated moneys) to fund its operations, meaning they are increasingly reliant on the businesses they inspect/regulate to pay their bills. Does this worry you that the regulator may get too reliant on and too chummy with the regulated? Would you rather see the FDA’s funding to go back to more Congress appropriated funds and rely less on “user fees”?

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                                        Jolly
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                                        Just showing up for the inspections you are supposed to be doing, would be a marvelous thing.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Just showing up for the inspections you are supposed to be doing, would be a marvelous thing.

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                                          @Jolly said in Baby Formula:

                                          Just showing up for the inspections you are supposed to be doing, would be a marvelous thing.

                                          Do you know why or under what circumstances that has not happened? How would you go about making that happen? How would you go about making that happen systematically, reliably across large number of inspections across the nation?

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