Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI

[George K]

[jon-nyc]

Given that there have been hundreds of (mostly-peaceful) incidents of arson, bombing, or fire-bombing of abortion clinics since Roe, I’m a little surprised it has taken this long for an incident of this valence.

Maybe there have been others but we just didn’t hear about them.

[Ivorythumper]

@jon-nyc said in Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI:

Given that there have been hundreds of (mostly-peaceful) incidents of arson, bombing, or fire-bombing of abortion clinics since Roe, I’m a little surprised it has taken this long for an incident of this valence.

Maybe there have been others but we just didn’t hear about them.

Hundreds? Not even the National Abortion Foundation exaggerates that much.

[jon-nyc]

Are you saying the mostly-peaceful pro-life movement is even more mostly peaceful?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1957842/

https://www.justice.gov/crt/national-task-force-violence-against-reproductive-health-care-providers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attacks-mapped

[Ivorythumper]

@jon-nyc said in Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI:

Are you saying the mostly-peaceful pro-life movement is even more mostly peaceful?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1957842/

https://www.justice.gov/crt/national-task-force-violence-against-reproductive-health-care-providers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States

https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attacks-mapped

You claimed "hundreds of ... incidents of arson, bombing, or fire-bombing of abortion clinics since Roe"

Count the wiki page and make it into your next puzzle how you arrive at hundreds.

[Ivorythumper]

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[jon-nyc]

I saw 110 in the NIH article between 1977 and 1988 and figured the number must have increased in the subsequent 35 years.

At any rate, whether the number is 110, 290, or 309 the point stands.

Maybe we’ll see more targeting that side now. Perhaps it’s just the people who feel like they’re losing the politics who decide to continue it by other means.

[jon-nyc]

But to your point the Wiki page gets us into the hundreds.

Arson, bombing, and property crime. According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[I 32]

[Ivorythumper]

@jon-nyc said in Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI:

Are you saying the mostly-peaceful pro-life movement is even more mostly peaceful?

Sure, I'll go there. Let me know when the pro-life movement, which uniformly and officially condemns all acts of violence, hits 63,000,000 dead bodies.

[Ivorythumper]

@jon-nyc said in Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI:

But to your point the Wiki page gets us into the hundreds.

Arson, bombing, and property crime. According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[I 32]

Count the cases cited. Do you think that the proborts are ignoring any determined prosecutions?

[Jolly]

Interesting juxtaposition...On one hand, we have people engaging in acts of violence, trying to prevent murder(s). On the other side, we have people engaging in violence because they wish to commit murder(s).

Yep, sounds morally equal to me...

[jon-nyc]

@Ivorythumper I said incidents not prosecutions. Don’t move the goal posts. It looks particularly desperate if you do it after your opponent scores.

[Ivorythumper]

@jon-nyc said in Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI:

@Ivorythumper I said incidents not prosecutions. Don’t move the goal posts. It looks particularly desperate if you do it after your opponent scores.

Actionable things -- how do you impute blame to the pro-life movement without actual prosecutions?

Surely you hold that vaunted principle about innocent until proven guilty?

[jon-nyc]

Individuals are sure. We haven’t talked about any individuals. Sorry man, again the goalposts stay put.

The odd thing is that, like me, you’re old enough to remember the big wave of these in the late 70s and 80s

[Ivorythumper]

@jon-nyc said in Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI:

Individuals are sure. We haven’t talked about any individuals. Sorry man, again the goalposts stay put.

The odd thing, like me, you’re old enough to remember the big wave of thirst in the late 70s and 89s.

Individuals are sure "what"?

The abortion industry is notorious for inflated figures -- "incidents", like what "non-abortion services" PP actually provide? Like the way NAARL massively inflated the probort support in the 1960s, which Dr. Bernard Nathanson publicly acknowledged were just made up for propaganda? Tell me why you should be so credulous.

[jon-nyc]

@jon-nyc said in Mostly peaceful Molotov cocktail in Madison, WI:

The odd thing is that, like me, you’re old enough to remember the big wave of these in the late 70s and 80s