Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pennsylvania-idUSKCN2M10IX
Trump endorses Dr. Oz for U.S. Senate seat in Pennsylvania. (Previously, Trump endorsed Sean Parnell for the same seat. "Parnell suspended his campaign in November 2021 after his estranged wife alleged physical abuse and he lost a battle over the custody of his three children.")
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjb59b/trump-endorses-dr-oz-pennsylvania
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Trump’s endorsement touted Mehmet Oz’s books and television show, and said that “women, in particular, are drawn to Oz for his advice and counsel.” —portraying this quality as one that would help Oz win the election.
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The Tennessee Republican Party voted Tuesday to remove former State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus and two other people from the August primary ballot in the state's 5th Congressional District.
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The vote marked the culmination of months of effort by both GOP legislators and activists to boot Ortagus because she had only recently moved to the state. She was endorsed by former President Donald Trump.Trump's "complete and total endorsement" could not save her.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
She didn't meet the qualifications set out. They followed the rules.
Yes, Trump did not do enough homework before endorsing this unqualified candidate.
Same think happened in Iowa where a Democrat candidate for Senate was disqualified because they didn't have the required number of signatures on the petition for candidacy.
Has said Iowa candidate been endorsed by any current or former Democratic President?
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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/21/mccarthy-tape-trump-jan6-00027122
A tape recording surfaced exposing Rep. McCarthy for having said that he would advise Trump to resign post Jan.6 Capitol riot. That appears to have stunted the GOP about whether to support McCarthy for Speakership if the the GOP were to take control of the House comes 2023. It looks like the Republicans are waiting for Trump to tell them what to do about this.
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From my opinion, there are three type of people in the Republican party now
33% have severe TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome)
43% are afraid of President Trump and their decisions and talking points will change based on how President Trump reacts
23% understand the damage being caused by having President Trump continue to be the "face" of the Republic party. But, they are currently in the minority, so their opinions do not be that strong among the rest of the party -
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
From my opinion, there are three type of people in the Republican party now
33% have severe TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome)
43% are afraid of President Trump and their decisions and talking points will change based on how President Trump reacts
23% understand the damage being caused by having President Trump continue to be the "face" of the Republic party. But, they are currently in the minority, so their opinions do not be that strong among the rest of the partyPlease show your work for full credit. No calculators allowed.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
From my opinion, there are three type of people in the Republican party now
33% have severe TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome)
43% are afraid of President Trump and their decisions and talking points will change based on how President Trump reacts
23% understand the damage being caused by having President Trump continue to be the "face" of the Republic party. But, they are currently in the minority, so their opinions do not be that strong among the rest of the partyPlease show your work for full credit. No calculators allowed.
555 I looked at all the members of coffee room, broke them into democrats and republicans and then did a scientific analysis to come up with the rankings!!
(Actually, I did try and rank people in the previous coffee room on their politics I cant find the forum thread however at the moment)
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@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@Horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
From my opinion, there are three type of people in the Republican party now
33% have severe TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome)
43% are afraid of President Trump and their decisions and talking points will change based on how President Trump reacts
23% understand the damage being caused by having President Trump continue to be the "face" of the Republic party. But, they are currently in the minority, so their opinions do not be that strong among the rest of the partyPlease show your work for full credit. No calculators allowed.
555 I looked at all the members of coffee room, broke them into democrats and republicans and then did a scientific analysis to come up with the rankings!!
(Actually, I did try and rank people in the previous coffee room on their politics I cant find the forum thread however at the moment)
I remember that thread. You were spot on for almost everybody, except me. I am in the perfect middle.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/10/kathy-barnette-pennsylvania-senate-gop-primary-00031262
Story on an "ultra-MAGA" candidate who is not endorsed by Trump, out-spent 358:1 in terms of campaign money, and still running neck-and-neck with Trump endorsed candidate Dr. Oz in Pennsylvania. The "ultra-MAGA" candidate is also very vocal about taking Trump's 2020 general election grievance with her all the way.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/22/desantis-trump-support-governors-mansion-00040942
“DeSantis has not asked Trump for a formal endorsement and isn’t planning to.”
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/politics/alabama-virginia-georgia-dc-primary-takeaways/index.html
Trump-endorsed candidates lost in Georgia GOP primary but won in Alabama.
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"The fringe is now the base", it says about today's Republican Party.
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@Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
"The fringe is now the base", it says about today's Republican Party.
:yawn:
And that’s not true on the opposite side?
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
@Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
"The fringe is now the base", it says about today's Republican Party.
:yawn:
And that’s not true on the opposite side?
It is true unfortunately. That doesn't make it any better for either side, nor is it a reason to be proud of the party.
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Opinion piece by Mitt Romney
Even as we watch the reservoirs and lakes of the West go dry, we keep watering our lawns, soaking our golf courses, and growing water-thirsty crops.
As inflation mounts and the national debt balloons, progressive politicians vote for ever more spending.
As the ice caps melt and record temperatures make the evening news, we figure that buying a Prius and recycling the boxes from our daily Amazon deliveries will suffice.
When TV news outlets broadcast video after video of people illegally crossing the nation’s southern border, many of us change the channel.
And when a renowned conservative former federal appellate judge testifies that we are already in a war for our democracy and that January 6, 2021, was a genuine constitutional crisis, MAGA loyalists snicker that he speaks slowly and celebrate that most people weren’t watching.
What accounts for the blithe dismissal of potentially cataclysmic threats? The left thinks the right is at fault for ignoring climate change and the attacks on our political system. The right thinks the left is the problem for ignoring illegal immigration and the national debt. But wishful thinking happens across the political spectrum. More and more, we are a nation in denial.
I have witnessed time and again—in myself and in others—a powerful impulse to believe what we hope to be the case. We don’t need to cut back on watering, because the drought is just part of a cycle that will reverse. With economic growth, the debt will take care of itself. January 6 was a false-flag operation. A classic example of denial comes from Donald Trump: “I won in a landslide.” Perhaps this is a branch of the same delusion that leads people to feed money into slot machines: Because I really want to win, I believe that I will win.
Bolstering our natural inclination toward wishful thinking are the carefully constructed, prejudice-confirming arguments from the usual gang of sophists, grifters, and truth-deniers. Watching angry commentators on cable news, I’m reminded of H. L. Mencken’s observation: “For every complex problem, there is a solution that is clear, simple, and wrong.”
When entire countries fail to confront serious challenges, it doesn't end well. During the past half century, we Americans have lived in a very forgiving time, and seeing the world through rose-colored glasses had limited consequences. The climate was stable, our economy dwarfed the competition, democracy was on the rise, and our military strength made the U.S. the sole global hyperpower. Today, every one of those things has changed. If we continue to ignore the real threats we face, America will inevitably suffer serious consequences.
What clears the scales from the eyes of a nation? Pearl Harbor did. 9/11 did. A crisis can shake the public consciousness. But a crisis may come too late for a course correction that can prevent tragedy. The only cure for wishful thinking is leadership. Winston Churchill emboldened a complacent Britain and rallied the world. Abraham Lincoln held the Union together. Ronald Reagan shook us from our malaise. Lech Wałęsa inaugurated a movement that brought down the Iron Curtain. Martin Luther King Jr. inspired us to “believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality.” And Volodymyr Zelensky’s stunning display of courage—“I need ammunition, not a ride”—showed us what real character looks like.
President Joe Biden is a genuinely good man, but he has yet been unable to break through our national malady of denial, deceit, and distrust. A return of Donald Trump would feed the sickness, probably rendering it incurable. Congress is particularly disappointing: Our elected officials put a finger in the wind more frequently than they show backbone against it. Too often, Washington demonstrates the maxim that for evil to thrive only requires good men to do nothing.
I hope for a president who can rise above the din to unite us behind the truth. Several contenders with experience and smarts stand in the wings; we intently watch to see if they also possess the requisite character and ability to bring the nation together in confronting our common reality. While we wait, leadership must come from fathers and mothers, teachers and nurses, priests and rabbis, businessmen and businesswomen, journalists and pundits. That will require us all to rise above ourselves—above our grievances and resentments—and grasp the mantle of leadership our country so badly needs.
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A current slur in the GOP, is to call someone a "Mitt Romney Republican".
I concur, and I voted for the man.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
A current slur in the GOP, is to call someone a "Mitt Romney Republican".
I concur, and I voted for the man.
What parts of his policy positions (excluding his thoughts on President Trump) do you disagree with?
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@taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
As the ice caps melt and record temperatures make the evening news, we figure that buying a Prius and recycling the boxes from our daily Amazon deliveries will suffice.
So, is he advocating for more governmental interference to "help" with climate change? Or is this just a handwavy eyeroll at ... some unspecified set of people?
And when a renowned conservative former federal appellate judge testifies that we are already in a war for our democracy and that January 6, 2021, was a genuine constitutional crisis, MAGA loyalists snicker that he speaks slowly and celebrate that most people weren’t watching.
Legit stupid sentence. First of all, an appeal to the authority of a "conservative former federal appellate judge", to define how we want to fashion our narratives about January 6, is primate hierarchy idiocy. We all have sufficient information to judge for ourselves, and that judgment does not require an intimate familiarity with constitutional law. Present the following question to any True Believer in the "existential threat to our democracy" narrative: would locked Capitol doors have substantially changed the way we talk about what happened? The answer to that question is yes. But they will be unwilling to answer the question. They will prevaricate, or they will just lie. Their narrative is too precious to muddy it with hypotheticals about how easily the alleged existential threat to hundreds of millions of Americans could have been avoided.
What accounts for the blithe dismissal of potentially cataclysmic threats? The left thinks the right is at fault for ignoring climate change and the attacks on our political system. The right thinks the left is the problem for ignoring illegal immigration and the national debt. But wishful thinking happens across the political spectrum. More and more, we are a nation in denial.
More and more, we are an op ed in the throes of histrionic narratives about cataclysmic threats. Actually the conservative side is pretty consistent in downplaying these alleged cataclysms. And maybe they should be downplayed, at least in the face of the Romneys of the world who use them to ... whatever, justify his existence, I guess.
I have witnessed time and again—in myself and in others—a powerful impulse to believe what we hope to be the case. We don’t need to cut back on watering, because the drought is just part of a cycle that will reverse. With economic growth, the debt will take care of itself. January 6 was a false-flag operation. A classic example of denial comes from Donald Trump: “I won in a landslide.” Perhaps this is a branch of the same delusion that leads people to feed money into slot machines: Because I really want to win, I believe that I will win.
Wow someone took psychology 101. Or maybe he discussed this with a relatively bright 15 year old. I assume most of them have achieved this height of awareness.
Bolstering our natural inclination toward wishful thinking are the carefully constructed, prejudice-confirming arguments from the usual gang of sophists, grifters, and truth-deniers. Watching angry commentators on cable news, I’m reminded of H. L. Mencken’s observation: “For every complex problem, there is a solution that is clear, simple, and wrong.”
When entire countries fail to confront serious challenges, it doesn't end well. During the past half century, we Americans have lived in a very forgiving time, and seeing the world through rose-colored glasses had limited consequences. The climate was stable, our economy dwarfed the competition, democracy was on the rise, and our military strength made the U.S. the sole global hyperpower. Today, every one of those things has changed. If we continue to ignore the real threats we face, America will inevitably suffer serious consequences.
What clears the scales from the eyes of a nation? Pearl Harbor did. 9/11 did. A crisis can shake the public consciousness. But a crisis may come too late for a course correction that can prevent tragedy. The only cure for wishful thinking is leadership. Winston Churchill emboldened a complacent Britain and rallied the world. Abraham Lincoln held the Union together. Ronald Reagan shook us from our malaise. Lech Wałęsa inaugurated a movement that brought down the Iron Curtain. Martin Luther King Jr. inspired us to “believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality.” And Volodymyr Zelensky’s stunning display of courage—“I need ammunition, not a ride”—showed us what real character looks like.
President Joe Biden is a genuinely good man, but he has yet been unable to break through our national malady of denial, deceit, and distrust. A return of Donald Trump would feed the sickness, probably rendering it incurable. Congress is particularly disappointing: Our elected officials put a finger in the wind more frequently than they show backbone against it. Too often, Washington demonstrates the maxim that for evil to thrive only requires good men to do nothing.
I hope for a president who can rise above the din to unite us behind the truth. Several contenders with experience and smarts stand in the wings; we intently watch to see if they also possess the requisite character and ability to bring the nation together in confronting our common reality. While we wait, leadership must come from fathers and mothers, teachers and nurses, priests and rabbis, businessmen and businesswomen, journalists and pundits. That will require us all to rise above ourselves—above our grievances and resentments—and grasp the mantle of leadership our country so badly needs.
"We need to be better". Thanks boomer for the words of wisdom.
