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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @Klaus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

    Wouldn't banks happily give him a loan?

    The loan will need to be paid back, with interest. The money still needs to come from somewhere. With old school buyout, you’d try to convince the bank that the company you’re buying will generate enough cash to pay back the loan. Twitter is not even profitable right now.

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    Klaus
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    @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

    @Klaus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

    Wouldn't banks happily give him a loan?

    The loan will need to be paid back, with interest. The money still needs to come from somewhere. With old school buyout, you’d try to convince the bank that the company you’re buying will generate enough cash to pay back the loan. Twitter is not even profitable right now.

    He could use a part of his stocks in Tesla and SpaceX as collateral, no?

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        @Klaus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

        Wouldn't banks happily give him a loan?

        The loan will need to be paid back, with interest. The money still needs to come from somewhere. With old school buyout, you’d try to convince the bank that the company you’re buying will generate enough cash to pay back the loan. Twitter is not even profitable right now.

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        LuFins Dad
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        #116

        @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

        @Klaus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

        Wouldn't banks happily give him a loan?

        The loan will need to be paid back, with interest. The money still needs to come from somewhere. With old school buyout, you’d try to convince the bank that the company you’re buying will generate enough cash to pay back the loan. Twitter is not even profitable right now.

        It’s not profitable because the God King doesn’t own it yet.

        The Brad

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          If it costs Musk 10% of his net worth, it would probably not change his life - at all. That's not the case for most of the planet.

          What are the actual mechanics of this happening? Who has to approve the sale - board of directors or a vote of all shareholders?

          If it's approved, I assume shareholders will be paid out at the price agreed upon, right?

          So, if Twitter is not profitable, as @Axtremus says, how much money per year does it lose? Will that bother Musk, or will he just twirl his mustache and say, "I laugh at these losses! Watch what I do next!"?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • KlausK Offline
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            Klaus
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            I assume you can take a company private if you control 51% of the shares?

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              @Klaus I'd think so.

              Would that qualify as a "hostile takeover?"

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                LuFins Dad
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                How do you post gifs?

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                The Brad

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                • KlausK Klaus

                  @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  @Klaus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  Wouldn't banks happily give him a loan?

                  The loan will need to be paid back, with interest. The money still needs to come from somewhere. With old school buyout, you’d try to convince the bank that the company you’re buying will generate enough cash to pay back the loan. Twitter is not even profitable right now.

                  He could use a part of his stocks in Tesla and SpaceX as collateral, no?

                  AxtremusA Away
                  AxtremusA Away
                  Axtremus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #121

                  @Klaus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  @Klaus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                  Wouldn't banks happily give him a loan?

                  The loan will need to be paid back, with interest. The money still needs to come from somewhere. With old school buyout, you’d try to convince the bank that the company you’re buying will generate enough cash to pay back the loan. Twitter is not even profitable right now.

                  He could use a part of his stocks in Tesla and SpaceX as collateral, no?

                  Gets even more complicated once the other companies are brought into this deal. Yes, the stocks may be made collaterals, but you’d still need cash flow to service the loan. That shifts the argument to cash flow. SpaceX is still in the “hemorrhage money for R&D” phase. Tesla has positive cash flow but does not issue cash dividend. Musk still needs to go through a bunch of mechanisms to take money out of Tesla’s cash flow to service his (hypothetical) Twitter loan.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Klaus I'd think so.

                    Would that qualify as a "hostile takeover?"

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                    @Klaus I'd think so.

                    Would that qualify as a "hostile takeover?"

                    Hostile refers to the relationship with current management. We’ll have to see how they react.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      How do you post gifs?

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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

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                      Click here and paste URL:

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
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                        #124

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
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                          What's to stop Musk from buying another 45% of the company? That would give him control, no?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Jolly
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                            Tucker had a suggestion in his monologue last night... People who believe in free speech should buy Twitter stock and then let Elon have their proxies.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Tucker had a suggestion in his monologue last night... People who believe in free speech should buy Twitter stock and then let Elon have their proxies.

                              AxtremusA Away
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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #127

                              @Jolly said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              Tucker had a suggestion in his monologue last night... People who believe in free speech should buy Twitter stock and then let Elon have their proxies.

                              How much of Twitter's stock has Tucker bought?

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                                Horace
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                                I don’t see this actually happening, but it would be nice if it did.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @Jolly said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  Tucker had a suggestion in his monologue last night... People who believe in free speech should buy Twitter stock and then let Elon have their proxies.

                                  How much of Twitter's stock has Tucker bought?

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #129

                                  @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  @Jolly said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                  Tucker had a suggestion in his monologue last night... People who believe in free speech should buy Twitter stock and then let Elon have their proxies.

                                  How much of Twitter's stock has Tucker bought?

                                  I ain't your Google Mommy.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Jolly said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    Tucker had a suggestion in his monologue last night... People who believe in free speech should buy Twitter stock and then let Elon have their proxies.

                                    How much of Twitter's stock has Tucker bought?

                                    I ain't your Google Mommy.

                                    AxtremusA Away
                                    AxtremusA Away
                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #130

                                    @Jolly said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    @Jolly said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                    Tucker had a suggestion in his monologue last night... People who believe in free speech should buy Twitter stock and then let Elon have their proxies.

                                    How much of Twitter's stock has Tucker bought?

                                    I ain't your Google Mommy.

                                    Just trying to save you from doing what Tucker tells you to do but does not do so himself. Consider waiting to see whether Tucker puts his own money where his mouth is.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
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                                      #131

                                      "Elon Musk has also offered to buy CNN+ for twenty-eight bucks."

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #132

                                        Max Boot opines:

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                        HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #133

                                          Stock analyst Dan Ives thinks the deal will go through. One caveat he mentions about balancing Musk's time:

                                          Ives also pointed out that there are likely to be a number of questions about financing the deal, regulatory concerns and how Musk would balance his time between Tesla (TSLA), SpaceX and Twitter, but the time for Twitter to accept the deal is "now or never."

                                          I doubt Musk would want to be involved much, beyond understanding the moderation practices, and firing anybody who fashioned those practices after the demands of the pop culture mob.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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