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  • G George K
    11 Apr 2022, 19:27

    Well...

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    Renauda
    wrote on 11 Apr 2022, 21:21 last edited by Renauda 4 Nov 2022, 21:28
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    @George-K

    Worth watching to see what the Pentagon or London has to report. Azov Battalion is a bit too dodgy for me to trust as a source.

    If true, it could be a portent of much worse sooner rather than later and leaves NATO with very little in the way options short of the very hard decision to accept Zelinsky’s invitation to intervene.

    Elbows up!

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      George K
      wrote on 11 Apr 2022, 21:22 last edited by
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      War crime:

      https://www.the-sun.com/news/5093174/russian-soldier-rapes-baby-ukraine-war-arrested/

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Mik
        wrote on 11 Apr 2022, 21:28 last edited by
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        Well, that last one was from the Sun, so....

        This one is from The Daily Beast, a source of similar reliability.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-airs-its-ultimate-revenge-plan-for-america/ar-AAW5HB1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=034ebcc01ffb4eb69e64664ac4fca5ca

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • M Mik
          11 Apr 2022, 21:28

          Well, that last one was from the Sun, so....

          This one is from The Daily Beast, a source of similar reliability.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-airs-its-ultimate-revenge-plan-for-america/ar-AAW5HB1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=034ebcc01ffb4eb69e64664ac4fca5ca

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          Renauda
          wrote on 11 Apr 2022, 21:37 last edited by
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          @Mik

          I trust the Kremlin would interfere to undermine the US electoral process regardless of the state of US Russia relations on Election Day.

          Elbows up!

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            Mik
            wrote on 11 Apr 2022, 22:02 last edited by
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            I suspect you are right.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Horace
              wrote on 11 Apr 2022, 22:04 last edited by
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              The only thing Russia needs to do to interfere is to give the appearance of interference, and wait for American corporate tribal media to run with it.

              Education is extremely important.

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                George K
                wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 12:21 last edited by
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                I was just looking at the running total of equipment losses on both sides here.

                Looking at Russian losses, what's amazing is the amount of stuff that's been captured, and, presumably, can be used by the Ukrainians.

                • Tanks (476, of which destroyed: 236, damaged: 8, abandoned: 40, captured: 192)
                • Armoured Fighting Vehicles (256, of which destroyed: 122, abandoned: 28, captured: 106)
                • Infantry Fighting Vehicles (497, of which destroyed: 291, damaged: 2, abandoned: 32, captured: 172)
                • Armoured Personnel Carriers (96, of which destroyed: 31, damaged: 1, abandoned: 17, captured: 47)
                • Towed Artillery (53, of which destroyed: 10, damaged: 4, abandoned: 5, captured: 34)
                • Self-Propelled Artillery (96, of which destroyed: 41, damaged: 2, abandoned: 15, captured: 37)
                • Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (787, of which destroyed: 484, damaged: 14, abandoned: 61, captured: 228)

                About 40% of the "stuff" that the Russians have lost is potentially still serviceable and usable by the Ukraians.

                As far as Ukrainian materiel goes, it looks like the percentage captured is higher than the Russians'. However, their total losses are much, much smaller.

                • Tanks (103, of which destroyed: 42, damaged: 1, abandoned: 9, captured: 51)
                • Armoured Fighting Vehicles (70, of which destroyed: 28, abandoned: 4, captured: 39)
                • Infantry Fighting Vehicles (82, of which destroyed: 37, damaged: 3, abandoned: 9, captured: 33)
                • Armoured Personnel Carriers (33, of which destroyed: 6, damaged: 1, abandoned: 2, captured: 23)
                • Infantry Mobility Vehicles (51, of which destroyed: 16, damaged: 1, abandoned: 1, captured: 33)
                • Towed Artillery (25, of which destroyed: 8, damaged: 3, abandoned: 3, captured: 11)
                • Self-Propelled Artillery (20, of which destroyed: 8, damaged: 4, abandoned: 1, captured: 7)
                • Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (224, of which destroyed: 97, damaged: 5, abandoned: 5, captured: 117)

                Overall:

                • Russia - 2771, of which: destroyed: 1456, damaged: 39, abandoned: 234, captured: 1042
                • Ukraine - 740, of which: destroyed: 340, damaged: 23, abandoned: 35, captured: 342

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 12:28 last edited by
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                  Putin purges more than 100 FSB agents

                  Russia's invasion of Ukraine appears not to be going according to plan, and President Vladimir Putin seems intent on blaming his old colleagues at the Federal Security Bureau (FSB) – the intelligence agency successor to the KGB – for the quagmire.

                  Putin reportedly purged more than 100 agents from the FSB, and his government sent the head of the department responsible for Ukraine to prison.

                  About 150 FSB officers have been dismissed, The Times of London reported Monday. The ousted agents belonged to the Fifth Service, a division that Putin – then director of the FSB – set up in 1998 in order to carry out operations in the countries of the former Soviet Union, aiming to keep those countries in Russia's orbit.
                  Authorities placed Sergei Beseda, the former head of the Fifth Service, under house arrest last month. He has since been moved to the FSB-run Lefortovo prison in Moscow, The Times reported. The NKVD, the KGB's predecessor, used the prison for interrogation and torture during Stalin's 1930s Great Purge.

                  This move sent a "very strong message" to other elites in Russia, Andrei Soldatov, an expert with the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA), told The Times.

                  At least in the US these guys could get jobs as talking heads on cable tv "news" shows.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • G George K
                    11 Apr 2022, 19:27

                    Well...

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 16:27 last edited by
                    #289

                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Well...

                    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/12/did-russia-really-use-chemical-weapons-mariupol-ukraine-expert-remain-sceptical

                    Elbows up!

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                    • R Renauda
                      12 Apr 2022, 16:27

                      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Well...

                      https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/12/did-russia-really-use-chemical-weapons-mariupol-ukraine-expert-remain-sceptical

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                      George K
                      wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 17:41 last edited by
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                      @Renauda it may, or may not, be false.

                      However the Brits are looking at it seriously.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • G George K
                        12 Apr 2022, 17:41

                        @Renauda it may, or may not, be false.

                        However the Brits are looking at it seriously.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 17:57 last edited by
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                        @George-K

                        As they should, it is serious. I do not dispute the very real possibility (or for that matter, very real probability) of deployment. Still, verification either way is paramount.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • R Renauda
                          12 Apr 2022, 17:57

                          @George-K

                          As they should, it is serious. I do not dispute the very real possibility (or for that matter, very real probability) of deployment. Still, verification either way is paramount.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 19:38 last edited by
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                          @Renauda

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • G George K
                            12 Apr 2022, 19:38

                            @Renauda

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 20:20 last edited by Renauda 4 Dec 2022, 22:48
                            #293

                            @George-K

                            Until the experts have weighed in and a chemical agent or compound agent is identified nothing is confirmed.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • R Renauda
                              12 Apr 2022, 20:20

                              @George-K

                              Until the experts have weighed in and a chemical agent or compound agent is identified nothing is confirmed.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 20:21 last edited by
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                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @George-K

                              Until the experts have weighed and a chemical agent or agent are identified nothing is confirmed.

                              What do you think will happen if it is confirmed?

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • A Aqua Letifer
                                12 Apr 2022, 20:21

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @George-K

                                Until the experts have weighed and a chemical agent or agent are identified nothing is confirmed.

                                What do you think will happen if it is confirmed?

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 20:23 last edited by
                                #295

                                @Aqua-Letifer

                                Don’t know other than the big hand moves that much closer to midnight.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • A Aqua Letifer
                                  12 Apr 2022, 20:21

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @George-K

                                  Until the experts have weighed and a chemical agent or agent are identified nothing is confirmed.

                                  What do you think will happen if it is confirmed?

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 12 Apr 2022, 20:42 last edited by
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                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @George-K

                                  Until the experts have weighed and a chemical agent or agent are identified nothing is confirmed.

                                  What do you think will happen if it is confirmed?

                                  Probably nothing military, like in Syria. More sanctions.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 13 Apr 2022, 21:49 last edited by
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                                    With a Ukrainian marines unit in Donetsk.

                                    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/ukraine-war-marines-front-lines-1334770/?fbclid=IwAR0gFNe3O1KwELsLpKCF43HRIvmznNe7c071TT1ue3I4FhHRjPqpkIif4fo

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • M Mik
                                      13 Apr 2022, 21:49

                                      With a Ukrainian marines unit in Donetsk.

                                      https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/ukraine-war-marines-front-lines-1334770/?fbclid=IwAR0gFNe3O1KwELsLpKCF43HRIvmznNe7c071TT1ue3I4FhHRjPqpkIif4fo

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 13 Apr 2022, 22:57 last edited by Renauda
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                                      @Mik

                                      As your link points out, weight of numbers certainly do not favour the Ukrainians.

                                      Finally a friendly state and its people are willing to sacrifice their young and old alike in the name of freedom, and we, in the West, find ourselves with all our might, in held check by a despot that has declared war on us all.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • R Renauda
                                        13 Apr 2022, 22:57

                                        @Mik

                                        As your link points out, weight of numbers certainly do not favour the Ukrainians.

                                        Finally a friendly state and its people are willing to sacrifice their young and old alike in the name of freedom, and we, in the West, find ourselves with all our might, in held check by a despot that has declared war on us all.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 13 Apr 2022, 23:49 last edited by
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                                        @Renauda I cannot help but wonder what would happen if NATO declared Ukraine, Sweden and Finland members and gave the murderous bastard his eviction notice.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 13 Apr 2022, 23:51 last edited by
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                                          Incidentally, I heard tonight we are going to be giving them helicopters. What, pray tell, is the difference between that and fixed wing aircraft in terms of Russian response?

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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