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Jon Stewart vs Andrew Sullivan

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Sullivan comments.

    Is there something worth salvaging from the ghastly experience? On reflection, I think so. The entire dynamic of the show mirrored, it seems to me, the dynamic of the imposition of critical race theory across our society. You can see the technique everywhere. You start with the obscenity of slavery; you talk constantly of history; you lay out Reconstruction, lynching, Jim Crow, segregation and the other brutalities of the past. So far, so good. That’s vital work — and we should pay tribute and close attention to it. But the point of CRT is not to educate people about how appallingly African-Americans were once treated in this country, to construct an account of the progress since then, to note the Americans of all races who helped make a difference, and then to propose specific policies that might help move us further forward, into a more perfect union.

    No, the whole point is to insist that this history is still the reality, that the structure of American society is no different in kind than in 1619, and that its democracy was designed from the beginning to brutalize non-whites forever. This is what we’re debating. No one is trying to minimize the pain of black suffering over the centuries, or debate whether systemic racism existed in America. Of course it did. And it lasted a hell of a long time. What we’re debating is how much those previous systems — repealed in their entirety nearly 60 years ago — explains resilient inequality today.

    So when I asked Stewart to delineate “structural racism,” he reflexively listed a bunch of “systems” that no longer exist: post-war redlining, the GI bill, and so on. I fumbled in response, to my shame. That’s what happens when you’re rattled and tired and not prepped for an inquisition. But my core point is that in America in 2022, the only formal legal systems that openly advocate race discrimination are discriminating in favor of African-Americans, not against them. Affirmative action was only supposed to be a temporary diversion from liberal principles. It’s now a permanent system of race discrimination to favor blacks over every other demographic, disproportionately harming Asian-Americans. The federal government now enforces it across every department.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Precious when the progressive white female says she refuses to engage with white men, and literally in the next breath says 'talking about it' is the only solution. So mutual masturbation between her and her choir is the only solution. Uh huh.

      So much wrong with that clapter orgy. What's most disappointing is how far gone Stewart is, 'snapping' with that racist nothing burger who entirely dismisses Mr Sullivan by virtue of his gender and skin color.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Precious when the progressive white female says she refuses to engage with white men, and literally in the next breath says 'talking about it' is the only solution. So mutual masturbation between her and her choir is the only solution. Uh huh.

        So much wrong with that clapter orgy. What's most disappointing is how far gone Stewart is, 'snapping' with that racist nothing burger who entirely dismisses Mr Sullivan by virtue of his gender and skin color.

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        @Horace read all of Sullivan's comments which I linked. He certainly felt like it was an ambush, and was pissed that he was cut off so many times.

        I wish Stewart would put his clown nose on, and keep it on.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Nice

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