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Do strict gun laws work?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://reason.com/video/2022/03/31/do-studies-show-gun-control-works-no/

    There has been a massive research effort going back decades to determine whether gun control measures work. A 2020 analysis by the RAND Corporation, a nonprofit research organization, parsed the results of 27,900 research publications on the effectiveness of gun control laws. From this vast body of work, the RAND authors found only 123 studies, or 0.4 percent, that tested the effects rigorously. Some of the other 27,777 studies may have been useful for non-empirical discussions, but many others were deeply flawed.

    We took a look at the significance of the 123 rigorous empirical studies and what they actually say about the efficacy of gun control laws.

    The answer: nothing. The 123 studies that met RAND's criteria may have been the best of the 27,900 that were analyzed, but they still had serious statistical defects, such as a lack of controls, too many parameters or hypotheses for the data, undisclosed data, erroneous data, misspecified models, and other problems.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      I hope they remember to test for votes.

      Gun control laws are passed to get votes.

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        So, if I understand correctly, the answer to your question in the title of the forum thread is "We dont know!" LOL

        I would think that one of the hardest things to include in any type of study are things such as cultural attitudes, and cultural history. Hard to get an accurate measurement.

        Person A says: "Look at Chicago. Very strict gun laws. Very high gun crimes."

        Person B says: "Look at Japan. Very very strict gun laws. Pretty much zero gun crimes."

        I agree with this statement from the report

        "The cultural differences are too big and there's just too much uncertainty in the data..."

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          So, if I understand correctly, the answer to your question in the title of the forum thread is "We dont know!" LOL

          I would think that one of the hardest things to include in any type of study are things such as cultural attitudes, and cultural history. Hard to get an accurate measurement.

          Person A says: "Look at Chicago. Very strict gun laws. Very high gun crimes."

          Person B says: "Look at Japan. Very very strict gun laws. Pretty much zero gun crimes."

          I agree with this statement from the report

          "The cultural differences are too big and there's just too much uncertainty in the data..."

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @taiwan_girl said in Do strict gun laws work?:

          So, if I understand correctly, the answer to your question in the title of the forum thread is "We dont know!" LOL

          Exactly.

          I would think that one of the hardest things to include in any type of study are things such as cultural attitudes, and cultural history. Hard to get an accurate measurement.

          Exactly, again. Look at Chicago, and its laws. The culture of the gun offenders is such that laws are irrelevant.

          Person A says: "Look at Chicago. Very strict gun laws. Very high gun crimes."

          Person B says: "Look at Japan. Very very strict gun laws. Pretty much zero gun crimes."

          I agree with this statement from the report

          "The cultural differences are too big and there's just too much uncertainty in the data..."

          You got it. With the strictest gun laws available, unless you change the culture, you're not going to change much.

          Now, the other question is, how do gun laws in Japan, Germany, and Britain compare with the US. I really don't know. The US is so fragmented that it's hard to compare.

          The other problem is that, with the number of firearms already in circulation, laws won't have much of an effect.

          Just random thoughts....

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            I am not 100% sure, but I believe in Japan, if you do own a gun, it has to be stored at a "secure" place like a gun shooting facility, etc. You cannot keep it in your house and certainly cannot walk around with one. (Pretty sure Singapore is the same way)

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              This ain't Japan. 😊

              β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                This ain't Japan. 😊

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                @Jolly said in Do strict gun laws work?:

                This ain't Japan. 😊

                Say, which is more polite?

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                • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                  It's all about culture. Most people in the UK really don't want to own guns - certainly not hand guns. Shotguns are a different thing for hunting, clay-pigeon shooting and what have you. I'm sure there's a small and noisy pro-gun lobby, but growing up absolutely nobody I knew owned a hand gun.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    It's all about culture. Most people in the UK really don't want to own guns - certainly not hand guns. Shotguns are a different thing for hunting, clay-pigeon shooting and what have you. I'm sure there's a small and noisy pro-gun lobby, but growing up absolutely nobody I knew owned a hand gun.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Do strict gun laws work?:

                    It's all about culture.

                    Precisely.

                    If you believe the study I posted, laws don't make a difference.

                    So, how do we change the culture?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      It's all about culture. Most people in the UK really don't want to own guns - certainly not hand guns. Shotguns are a different thing for hunting, clay-pigeon shooting and what have you. I'm sure there's a small and noisy pro-gun lobby, but growing up absolutely nobody I knew owned a hand gun.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Do strict gun laws work?:

                      It's all about culture.

                      By saying that, you are appropriating my culture.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Do strict gun laws work?:

                        It's all about culture.

                        Precisely.

                        If you believe the study I posted, laws don't make a difference.

                        So, how do we change the culture?

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        @George-K said in Do strict gun laws work?:

                        So, how do we change the culture?

                        Kick out all the Americans?

                        I was only joking

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                        • MikM Away
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                          Show me how much gun violence is initiated by law abiding gun owners.

                          β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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