Spot the threat to free speech

[Klaus]

Also, there would be an obvious way how social media companies could provide editorial control without censorship. They could just offer an option for every user whether they want to see all content, including potentially offensive or extremist content, or only a subset of the content selected by that company. More sophisticated variants of that scheme are easily conceivable, too.

YT goes in that direction a little. Sometimes they pop up something along the lines of "are you sure you want to see this".

It gets more complicated when it comes to ads and ad revenue, but I believe it's completely possible to design it in such a way that it assumes citizens are adults who can make their own decisions.

[George K]

@Klaus said in Spot the threat to free speech:
it assumes citizens are adults who can make their own decisions.

So, it's doomed to fail, then.

[George K]

@George-K said in Spot the threat to free speech:

@Klaus said in Spot the threat to free speech:
it assumes citizens are adults who can make their own decisions.

So, it's doomed to fail, then.

[Klaus]

The only way of getting people to behave like adults is to let them fail and let them suffer the consequences of their actions.

[Axtremus]

Is TNCR a “publisher” or a “platform”?

[Klaus]

Neither. It's like a biker bar.

But YT and Twitter are more like the market place these days. You can't get heard unless you use them.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Standby by for the principled conservatives to be against this as an aggressive overreach of the administrative state.... there still are a few out there....right?

No, all the principled people are on the left. Just like all the objective, non-tribal people are there.

[jon-nyc]

I’ll even take a pragmatic conservative who realizes that whatever administrative rule-making procedures he puts in place will inevitably be hijacked by the woke left.

[jon-nyc]

There’s a reason principled conservatives don’t like the administrative state, after all.

[Larry]

@Klaus said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Neither. It's like a biker bar.

Yeah, but for a fat girl we don't sweat much...

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Spot the threat to free speech:

I’ll even take a pragmatic conservative who realizes that whatever administrative rule-making procedures he puts in place will inevitably be hijacked by the woke left.

I have no firm idea about whether Trump's move is for the best or not. I like the conversation it is initiating though.

[xenon]

I think Trump gets one thing right. He's tweeted variations of this a few of times now:

You can't do anything with Section 230 in place. This EO is all fodder for the news cycle.

Section 230 (c) is pretty clear - especially the last bold bit:

(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material

• (1)Treatment of publisher or speaker

• No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

• (2)Civil liability

• No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—

• (A)any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or

"Otherwise objectionable" - doesn't get broader than that.

[xenon]

Also from 230:

It is the policy of the United States to preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet and other interactive computer services, unfettered by Federal or State regulation;

[xenon]

I don't see how you can Executive Order your way out of this.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in Spot the threat to free speech:

I have no firm idea about whether Trump's move is for the best or not. I like the conversation it is initiating though.

Yeah, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall zoom call during the emergency board meetings Twitter, FB, etc are holding today.

[Larry]

Here's how I see it. Leftism has infected 3 areas of influence over the masses:

1. Education system
2. News media.
3. Politics

The education system produces a large number of people who have been taught to think a certain way. The news media is made up of people who are products of our propagandist education system, and they 1. Don't know any better and 2. Want to support and defend what they've been brainwashed to believe. Plus, most of them have never learned how to think for themselves. The political tribe that benefits from this and is in fact responsible for making us a nation filled with morons is the Democrat party. So the all 3 work together for a common cause- destroy the US and replace it with their vision of power.

The only free thought left is that which occurs outside their sphere of influence. That is social media. If social media is allowed to align itself with the other three, it will take a civil war to stop them.

[xenon]

@Larry Larry, should Liberty University exercise no censorship or control over the discourse at its campus?

I would like for my kids to go to a university that truly believes in Free Speech and fosters unfettered access to viewpoints no matter how fringe or foul.

But I also understand that there are institutions that wouldn't want that.

There are many places on the internet where you can go and say whatever you want without moderation - are you saying that there can be no privately-run platforms online that moderate content?

Now - for this particular example. I think this is a value-destroying move by Twitter, but that's a different topic.

[jon-nyc]

Interesting take from Bret Weinstein:

I wish the people who believe the President didn't intend to threaten to shoot people would talk to the people who think he did intend to threaten to shoot people and that it's a good idea. If the former were correct, the President needs to address the problem posed by the latter

[Horace]

Meanwhile it's neither fringe nor particularly noteworthy that in response to violent riots, violence is spoken openly of as a potential control measure.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Klaus said in Spot the threat to free speech:

Neither. It's like a biker bar.

I think it's more of a triker bar.