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The only thing surprising about this….

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Messrs Trump and Biden paid people not to work, though that’s been over for some time. Trump appointee Powell goosed the money supply.

    The good news for you is that Biden reappointed him in December, so you can blame future money supply growth in Biden of you wish.

    Anyway, the idea that “the man created inflation with his policies” is really an emotional opinion not a reasoned one. It’s the thing that you want to be true, and pj media and epoch times are there to give you what you want. That’s the main risk of getting your news from ideological sites.

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    @jon-nyc said in The only thing surprising about this….:

    Messrs Trump and Biden paid people not to work, though that’s been over for some time. Trump appointee Powell goosed the money supply.

    The good news for you is that Biden reappointed him in December, so you can blame future money supply growth in Biden of you wish.

    Anyway, the idea that “the man created inflation with his policies” is really an emotional opinion not a reasoned one. That’s the main risk of getting your news from fringe sites.

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.

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    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      For the next 6 months, it’s on the Dem controlled Congress.. They are the ones that passed the legislation…

      The Brad

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        BTW, Fox polls notoriously lean a bit Left, as compared to Rasmussen and many others.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Jolly if you had said “his administration will take the hit for inflation” I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. But you said the man caused it with his policies. A very different claim.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Away
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              Inflation was coming regardless, if it was not already there. I do think his policies made it worse. The recovery act in 2021 was unnecessarily large and may not have been necessary at all. There was a political side to it that became more important than its actual effect. I think his energy policies were intended to make gas prices rise and he got his wish.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Whether in office or not, he would have been fully supportive of any existing policy which has caused inflation, and many I’m sure which would have caused even more inflation. But I know we’re not supposed to believe anymore that party affiliation has anything to do with fiscal responsibility because (insert statistic here).

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Look at the global economy, and then look at the US economy.

                  You can argue Biden is responsible for the difference. Saying he created the entire global mess is giving the distinguished old chap a little too much credit.

                  I was only joking

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

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                    @Jolly said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                    I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

                    Most of them haven’t gone into effect (federal drilling) or wouldn’t have been contributing to production yet (keystone). I can’t offhand name any that would have had an actual material impact on supplies.

                    Can you?

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      Whether in office or not, he would have been fully supportive of any existing policy which has caused inflation, and many I’m sure which would have caused even more inflation. But I know we’re not supposed to believe anymore that party affiliation has anything to do with fiscal responsibility because (insert statistic here).

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                      @Horace said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                      Whether in office or not, he would have been fully supportive of any existing policy which has caused inflation, and many I’m sure which would have caused even more inflation. But I know we’re not supposed to believe anymore that party affiliation has anything to do with fiscal responsibility because (insert statistic here).

                      The GOP seems to have lost the path too.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @Jolly said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                        I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

                        Most of them haven’t gone into effect (federal drilling) or wouldn’t have been contributing to production yet (keystone). I can’t offhand name any that would have had an actual material impact on supplies.

                        Can you?

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                        @jon-nyc said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                        @Jolly said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                        I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

                        Most of them haven’t gone into effect (federal drilling) or wouldn’t have been contributing to production yet (keystone). I can’t offhand name any that would have had an actual material impact on supplies.

                        Can you?

                        Just the existence of the leases and exploratory permits help drive the costs down as other oil producing companies respond. And the fracking policies also affects oil futures as well as Natural Gas.

                        I’m surprised more people aren’t discussing refinery issues, though. That’s a part of this…

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @jon-nyc said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                          @Jolly said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                          I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

                          Most of them haven’t gone into effect (federal drilling) or wouldn’t have been contributing to production yet (keystone). I can’t offhand name any that would have had an actual material impact on supplies.

                          Can you?

                          Just the existence of the leases and exploratory permits help drive the costs down as other oil producing companies respond. And the fracking policies also affects oil futures as well as Natural Gas.

                          I’m surprised more people aren’t discussing refinery issues, though. That’s a part of this…

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                          @LuFins-Dad Leases are still operable and being signed and renewed. The courts stopped his moratorium before it went into effect.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            I don't even come close to pretending to understand the intricacies of the economic forces that affect inflation, etc.

                            I'm not alone, thank goodness.

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @Jolly said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                              I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

                              Most of them haven’t gone into effect (federal drilling) or wouldn’t have been contributing to production yet (keystone). I can’t offhand name any that would have had an actual material impact on supplies.

                              Can you?

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                              @jon-nyc said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                              @Jolly said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                              I do think he has caused it with his policies, energy chief among them.

                              Most of them haven’t gone into effect (federal drilling) or wouldn’t have been contributing to production yet (keystone). I can’t offhand name any that would have had an actual material impact on supplies.

                              Can you?

                              You may know finance better than I, but much of any economy is built on public perception and politics. If people are confident, they act differently, they plan differently and they spend differently.

                              Mr. Biden rapidly lost the confidence of the majority of the American people, particularly the small business people. Without Main Street, there is no Wall Street.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                jon-nyc
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                                That’s the equivalent of saying Biden’s mean tweets caused inflation.

                                And the quadrupling of the money supply was just incidental?

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  That’s the equivalent of saying Biden’s mean tweets caused inflation.

                                  And the quadrupling of the money supply was just incidental?

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                                  @jon-nyc said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                                  That’s the equivalent of saying Biden’s mean tweets caused inflation.

                                  And the quadrupling of the money supply was just incidental?

                                  No. But no financial trend is an island. It can be helped or harried, depending on perception and politics.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    That’s the equivalent of saying Biden’s mean tweets caused inflation.

                                    And the quadrupling of the money supply was just incidental?

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                                    @jon-nyc said in The only thing surprising about this….:

                                    That’s the equivalent of saying Biden’s mean tweets caused inflation.

                                    And the quadrupling of the money supply was just incidental?

                                    Of course not.

                                    But he said what he said, "POTUS is responsible."

                                    So... who's been POTUS for the last 14 months?

                                    I'm not saying it's accurate or true, just pointing out rhetoric campaigning vs reality. This is what people will remember, with, of course, ads from the opposition.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      He said “the man caused” the inflation with his policies. And that it was *unarguably” the case.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        You can argue with a fencepost if you wish.

                                        I think the vast majority if the country blames Biden. If you wish to channel your inner Ax around the 20% Far Left deniers, be my guest.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          I am going to step in with my dead horse! 555

                                          The president gets too much credit for the economy when it is going good and too much blame for the economy when it is going bad.

                                          As @Doctor-Phibes said, compare what is happening around the world (inflation, etc) and compare to the US.

                                          As I mentioned in another thread, Thailand experienced its highest inflation in February (pre Ukraine War) since 2008. Psst - people here are not blaming it on President Biden. To many world factors at work.

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