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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    Easy come, easy go?

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/13/trump-announces-massive-oil-purchase-for-strategic.aspx

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      jon-nyc
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      #2

      Makes sense. Fill them when they’re practically giving away oil (remember WTI spot going negative???) and release during national security related supply disruptions.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        Problem is, the strategic reserve is just that. It's not enough to actually impact the market in a meaningful way.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Problem is, the strategic reserve is just that. It's not enough to actually impact the market in a meaningful way.

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          taiwan_girl
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          @Jolly said in Trump fills, Biden empties:

          Problem is, the strategic reserve is just that. It's not enough to actually impact the market in a meaningful way.

          I did not know such a thing existed.

          What is it supposed to be for?

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #5

            Exactly what the name implies.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Exactly what the name implies.

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              taiwan_girl
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              #6

              @Jolly

              Okay, but when should it be used?

              What would be considered a "strategic" time?

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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                That's a good question. What do you think?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  That's a good question. What do you think?

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                  @Jolly

                  I did not even know this existed, and I am not sure it is necessary.

                  Quick facts:
                  Amount in storage = 714 MM barrels
                  US Day usage = 21 MM barrels
                  (Storage holds about a month supply)
                  Highest capacity ever = 727 MM barrels at end of 2009

                  Since it is there, and the US has "cut off" 4% of total by stopping imports from Russia, this event seems a reasonable time to release oil from the reserve. Assuming they release 1 MM or so daily, that would be 2 years of reserve supply.

                  (Yes, I realize that the US does not only import Russia crude oil but other types of oil also. And the oil in the reserve may be a different component, etc. But, for easy calcuations, I use the above.)

                  So, for summary - Yes, the war in Ukraine and decrease in supply from Russia is a good reason to make up the difference with oil from the reserve.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    How much gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel and ship fuel oil does the U.S. military use?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      How much gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel and ship fuel oil does the U.S. military use?

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                      jon-nyc
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                      @Jolly said in Trump fills, Biden empties:

                      How much gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel and ship fuel oil does the U.S. military use?

                      DoD used 100MM barrels a year as of about a decade ago. Biggest user of fossil fuels in the history of mankind.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        @Jolly

                        I did not even know this existed, and I am not sure it is necessary.

                        Quick facts:
                        Amount in storage = 714 MM barrels
                        US Day usage = 21 MM barrels
                        (Storage holds about a month supply)
                        Highest capacity ever = 727 MM barrels at end of 2009

                        Since it is there, and the US has "cut off" 4% of total by stopping imports from Russia, this event seems a reasonable time to release oil from the reserve. Assuming they release 1 MM or so daily, that would be 2 years of reserve supply.

                        (Yes, I realize that the US does not only import Russia crude oil but other types of oil also. And the oil in the reserve may be a different component, etc. But, for easy calcuations, I use the above.)

                        So, for summary - Yes, the war in Ukraine and decrease in supply from Russia is a good reason to make up the difference with oil from the reserve.

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                        jon-nyc
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                        @taiwan_girl said in Trump fills, Biden empties:

                        Highest capacity ever = 727 MM barrels at end of 2009

                        Trump fills a little, Obama fills a lot.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Jolly

                          Okay, but when should it be used?

                          What would be considered a "strategic" time?

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                          @taiwan_girl said in Trump fills, Biden empties:

                          @Jolly

                          Okay, but when should it be used?

                          What would be considered a "strategic" time?

                          It was intended as a release valve for shortages caused by embargoes or other National-security related emergencies, IOW situations like this.

                          The controversial uses have been during relative peace with gas prices just high. Presidents of both parties have used it for that, with the support of their own party and complaints from the other.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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