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To Apologize

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/if-you-were-wrong-you-need-to-apologize

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      #2

      That is a biggest problems politicians have - being able to admit they are wrong, apologize and move on.

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        That is a biggest problems politicians have - being able to admit they are wrong, apologize and move on.

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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by Horace
        #3

        @taiwan_girl said in To Apologize:

        That is a biggest problems politicians have - being able to admit they are wrong, apologize and move on.

        Voters don't want their politicians to apologize for being wrong, or to ever admit to being wrong. The other side, after all, never apologizes when they're wrong, and never admits to being wrong, so why should my side have to fall on that sword? The world is, after all, still a better place when my side is elected to office, so in fact, the moral and righteous thing to do is to never admit to being wrong, and never apologize. To do otherwise, would be to not care about other people.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
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          #4

          Elton John famously said that 'sorry' is the hardest word.

          I personally don't think it's got anything on otorhinolaryngologist, or even isthmus.

          I was only joking

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            No political, social, or spiritual project is more urgent than the one that begins with three small words: I’m so sorry.

            I don't know why he had to up the ante with the "so". He wants an apology, ok, but an apology that intentionally positions itself to the apologetic side of normal apologies? That may be a bridge too far. Let us not ask for groveling.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              No political, social, or spiritual project is more urgent than the one that begins with three small words: I’m so sorry.

              I don't know why he had to up the ante with the "so". He wants an apology, ok, but an apology that intentionally positions itself to the apologetic side of normal apologies? That may be a bridge too far. Let us not ask for groveling.

              LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              @Horace said in To Apologize:

              No political, social, or spiritual project is more urgent than the one that begins with three small words: I’m so sorry.

              I don't know why he had to up the ante with the "so". He wants an apology, ok, but an apology that intentionally positions itself to the apologetic side of normal apologies? That may be a bridge too far. Let us not ask for groveling.

              I'm so sorry that you are so fucking dumb that you can't understand the nuance of my position. I am so sorry that our education system and social norms have failed you so badly... Lots of fun can be had with those three words!

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Horace said in To Apologize:

                No political, social, or spiritual project is more urgent than the one that begins with three small words: I’m so sorry.

                I don't know why he had to up the ante with the "so". He wants an apology, ok, but an apology that intentionally positions itself to the apologetic side of normal apologies? That may be a bridge too far. Let us not ask for groveling.

                I'm so sorry that you are so fucking dumb that you can't understand the nuance of my position. I am so sorry that our education system and social norms have failed you so badly... Lots of fun can be had with those three words!

                HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
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                @LuFins-Dad said in To Apologize:

                @Horace said in To Apologize:

                No political, social, or spiritual project is more urgent than the one that begins with three small words: I’m so sorry.

                I don't know why he had to up the ante with the "so". He wants an apology, ok, but an apology that intentionally positions itself to the apologetic side of normal apologies? That may be a bridge too far. Let us not ask for groveling.

                I'm so sorry that you are so fucking dumb that you can't understand the nuance of my position. I am so sorry that our education system and social norms have failed you so badly... Lots of fun can be had with those three words!

                Ah yes, the ironic so sorry. Well played.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  I said I'm sorry, OK?

                  What more do you freaking want?

                  I was only joking

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                  • X Offline
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                    #9

                    I think apologies miss the point.

                    People make different assumptions about the world in the face of missing facts or ambiguity.

                    It's more a matter of being ok with being wrong.

                    "I was wrong, I thought the world worked this way, turns out it works that way."

                    An apology is a weird thing to offer for this.

                    Being wrong is not something you should necessarily have to apologize for.

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                    • X xenon

                      I think apologies miss the point.

                      People make different assumptions about the world in the face of missing facts or ambiguity.

                      It's more a matter of being ok with being wrong.

                      "I was wrong, I thought the world worked this way, turns out it works that way."

                      An apology is a weird thing to offer for this.

                      Being wrong is not something you should necessarily have to apologize for.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @xenon said in To Apologize:

                      I think apologies miss the point.

                      People make different assumptions about the world in the face of missing facts or ambiguity.

                      It's more a matter of being ok with being wrong.

                      "I was wrong, I thought the world worked this way, turns out it works that way."

                      An apology is a weird thing to offer for this.

                      Being wrong is not something you should necessarily have to apologize for.

                      Admitting one is wrong is a higher bar than offering an apology anyway. Qualified apologies are easy and meaningless. And most apologies are qualified, one way or another. It's more difficult to qualify an admission of being wrong though.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        Yeah, apologizing for being wrong is a bit silly.

                        Bad behaviour is what we should apologize for, not for having an opinion that is shown to be incorrect. And typically, the worse the behaviour, the less likely we are to apologize for it.

                        I was only joking

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