That was a valid point from Trump...
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@Klaus said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
And it looks like we might be very slowly waking up and consider reality.
And other countries as well. To depend on a potential foe for essentials is lunacy.
And, yeah, we depend on China for so much shit - which is absolutely stupid and dangerous.
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@Klaus said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
And it looks like we might be very slowly waking up and consider reality.
And other countries as well. To depend on a potential foe for essentials is lunacy.
And, yeah, we depend on China for so much shit - which is absolutely stupid and dangerous.
@George-K we depend on China for so much shit . . .
Do you know if there is a central source for products and services that the US does in fact depend on China for? A one-source-fits-all kind of thing?
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@George-K we depend on China for so much shit . . .
Do you know if there is a central source for products and services that the US does in fact depend on China for? A one-source-fits-all kind of thing?
@Catseye3 said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
@George-K we depend on China for so much shit . . .
Do you know if there is a central source for products and services that the US does in fact depend on China for? A one-source-fits-all kind of thing?
Do tell...
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@Catseye3 said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
@George-K we depend on China for so much shit . . .
Do you know if there is a central source for products and services that the US does in fact depend on China for? A one-source-fits-all kind of thing?
Do tell...
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There were lots of things that Trump said that got him laughed at but which later on it turned out he was correct.
Some people could see this, others just continued to laugh. Fools.
And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it.
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For years, the U.S. warned Germany of building up a dangerous energy dependence on Russia, the source of more than half of its fossil fuel imports. Now that the war in Ukraine has shocked Berlin into the same conclusion, the government is finding that changing course might be too late.
Europe’s largest economy is facing up to the prospect that the bulk of its natural gas and coal supplies could get choked off, ripping through its industrial base and sparking economic upheaval. Companies including utility Uniper SE and chemical giant BASF SE are particularly exposed, and with gas reserves low, the pain would quickly spread to manufacturers and households already buckling under ever-rising bills.
“If either the Europeans no longer want to buy the gas or Russia cuts them off, that would be a very significant shock,” David Folkerts-Landau, the chief economist at Deutsche Bank AG, said in a Bloomberg TV interview this week. “You will have a very serious recession.”
Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s government has said the country’s gas needs are covered until next winter. But Europe’s gas storage facilities are now less than a third full, well below the average for this time of the year. To compensate for lost Russian gas, Germany would need deliveries from the world’s entire 600-vessel fleet of liquefied natural gas tankers, business lobby DIHK estimates.
For now, Moscow has given no indication that it may cut off supplies, while Germany opposes sanctions or political pressure that would prompt a full energy embargo. But already, Berlin is in crisis mode.
Highlighting the sense of urgency, the government has authorized a 1.5 billion-euro ($1.7 billion) ad-hoc payment to secure LNG. At current prices, that’s only about a week’s worth of gas, according to BloombergNEF estimates, and LNG is typically at least 10% more expensive than supplies piped from Russia. The government announced Saturday that the state-owned lender KfW would partner with Nederlandse Gasunie NV and RWE AG to build an LNG terminal in the northern port city of Brunsbuettel.
“I say this with great regret and without a smile on my face: Germany is dependent on Russian energy imports,” Robert Habeck, Germany’s vice chancellor and minister for the economy and climate policy, said this week.
In the event of a supply shutdown, Uniper would likely be one of the first companies to feel the fallout. The Dusseldorf-based utility has more than half of its long-term gas contracts with Russia and faces a bleak future if those supplies get cut off. That would have a knock-on effect on consumers and factories dependent on its electricity.
The company is facing the crisis on shaky ground. Extreme price movements have forced it to borrow billions of euros to back up trading bets. Meanwhile, its investment in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Russia is likely lost after Germany put the gas link on hold.
“The situation at the Russian-Ukrainian border leaves us at Uniper profoundly unsettled,” Chief Executive Officer Klaus-Dieter Maubach said a day before President Vladimir Putin started the invasion.
German oil and gas producer Wintershall Dea AG also wrote down 1 billion euros invested in the controversial $11 billion project, which had long irked the U.S. because of the Russian connection but was nevertheless nearing completion until the government halted certification.
The first Nord Stream pipeline, which bypasses Ukraine to connect Germany directly with Russian gas fields, was opened by former Chancellor Angela Merkel in 2011, calling it a “remarkable achievement.”
Scholz also announced plans to fast-track construction of the country’s first LNG terminals, but that would still take years. In the short term, the government released a crisis plan, including building up coal reserves for power plants and forcing gas firms to keep minimum storage levels -- nearly a third of that capacity is controlled by Russia’s Gazprom PJSC in a further sign of Germany’s dependence.
The ultimate fix is a shift toward renewable power, which will also take time and money. Germany has already retreated from nuclear energy in the wake of the Fukushima reactor disaster a decade ago -- its final three reactors are slated to shut this year.
Insurers Euler Hermes and Allianz SE estimate that it would require 170 billion euros in investment a year for the European Union to gain independence from Russian energy. Habeck, a former co-leader of the Green party, proposed legislation this week that would roughly triple the pace of adding wind and solar power.
“What was consciously built up in the last 10, 15 years -- namely, making the dependence on Russian energy greater -- can’t of course be completely changed in a few days or in three months,” Habeck said on Thursday after convening with business leaders to discuss the crisis. “We will and need to remain open for energy imports from Russia.”
The reason for concern is clear. Russia supplies more than half of Germany’s gas, half of its coal and roughly a third of its oil. BloombergNEF estimates that replacing Russian gas would require an additional 82 LNG tankers a month, more than the February output of Qatar -- one of the world’s top producers.
Russia shutting down deliveries isn’t a far-fetched scenario, because gas only provides the government with a quarter of the revenue compared with oil, according to Stefan Ulrich, a BloombergNEF analyst.
“Industry production in Germany would be extremely affected in such a case,” Volker Treier, head of the foreign trade board of Germany’s industry lobby group DIHK, adding that compensating for the loss of Russian gas in the short term “borders on the impossible.”
A gas shortage could prompt BASF to halt some factories, dealing a blow to supplies of materials used in cars, fertilizers and medicines across Europe. Some energy-intensive companies are starting to inquire about alternative fuels in the event of a gas cutoff, according to Wolfgang Hahn, owner of Energy Consulting GmbH, which advises hundreds of companies in Germany.
“This is the biggest energy crisis people in Europe have faced since the Second World War,” said Hahn. “The 1970s was just a price crisis. This is more serious than that.”
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There were lots of things that Trump said that got him laughed at but which later on it turned out he was correct.
Some people could see this, others just continued to laugh. Fools.
And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it.
And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it..
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
Elbows up!
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And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it..
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
@Renauda said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
What was holding Putin back 15 months ago?
If you believe, as I do, that this "special military operation" was planned for a long time, probably since 2014, I don't see any difference in strategic ability between 2020 and 2022.
Is there?
Why now?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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An easy and unfalsifiable dig at Trump from Bolton, who has made no secret of how much he detests the orange menace.
@Horace said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
who has made no secret of how much he detests the orange menace.
And yet agreed to work in the administration for 17 months
so he could set the country on the right trackwrite a book.Edit to add...
I think Bolton's a smart guy and much of his thinking aligns with my own. However, reading his book "The Room Where it Happened," stuck me as being full of irrelevant and forgettable names, and
inside baseballgossip.Though I agree that Trump
wasis very much a loose cannon, I lost a lot of respect for Teh 'Stache when I read his book. It was just another "insider" tell-all. -
And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it..
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
@Renauda said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it..
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
Bolton is more full of shit than a Christmas turkey and has been for quite sometime.
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@Renauda said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
What was holding Putin back 15 months ago?
If you believe, as I do, that this "special military operation" was planned for a long time, probably since 2014, I don't see any difference in strategic ability between 2020 and 2022.
Is there?
Why now?
@George-K said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
@Renauda said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
What was holding Putin back 15 months ago?
If you believe, as I do, that this "special military operation" was planned for a long time, probably since 2014, I don't see any difference in strategic ability between 2020 and 2022.
Is there?
Why now?
Valid questions. No easy answer since it would involve getting into “Smeagle’s” head.
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Yes, saying what would have happened if Presdient Trump was still president is impossible.
On on side, President Trump (in my thinking) moved the US back more into an isolationist type of mentality. So, President Putin would have probably done the same thing, maybe even earlier, thinking that the US would have a minimal response and would not have wanted to get involved at all in another foreign conflict. US relations with NATO countries were strained also
On the other side, President Putin may be like a lot of criminals - he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, so he doesnt really care what is happening outside the bubble of Russia. He is going to do what he is going to do, regardless.
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Yes, saying what would have happened if Presdient Trump was still president is impossible.
On on side, President Trump (in my thinking) moved the US back more into an isolationist type of mentality. So, President Putin would have probably done the same thing, maybe even earlier, thinking that the US would have a minimal response and would not have wanted to get involved at all in another foreign conflict. US relations with NATO countries were strained also
On the other side, President Putin may be like a lot of criminals - he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, so he doesnt really care what is happening outside the bubble of Russia. He is going to do what he is going to do, regardless.
@taiwan_girl said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
On the other side, President Putin may be like a lot of criminals - he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room,
No real comment other than to remember the comment:
"If you think you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room."
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And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it..
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
@Renauda said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
And at this very minute in time, if you say "if Trump had stayed in office Putin wouldn't be doing what he's doing" they laugh and call you an idiot. They still don't get it..
Was watching an interview with John Bolton this morning on BBC. He stated that if Trump were still in office, Putin would have invaded Ukraine six months ago.
Wonder why he would think that?
Because Bolton is a war hog who got pissed off at Trump because Trump wouldn't let him start a war. One of the decisions Trump made that I had a problem with was giving that snot slinging weasel a job.
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Yes, saying what would have happened if Presdient Trump was still president is impossible.
On on side, President Trump (in my thinking) moved the US back more into an isolationist type of mentality. So, President Putin would have probably done the same thing, maybe even earlier, thinking that the US would have a minimal response and would not have wanted to get involved at all in another foreign conflict. US relations with NATO countries were strained also
On the other side, President Putin may be like a lot of criminals - he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, so he doesnt really care what is happening outside the bubble of Russia. He is going to do what he is going to do, regardless.
@taiwan_girl said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
Yes, saying what would have happened if Presdient Trump was still president is impossible.
On on side, President Trump (in my thinking) moved the US back more into an isolationist type of mentality. So, President Putin would have probably done the same thing, maybe even earlier, thinking that the US would have a minimal response and would not have wanted to get involved at all in another foreign conflict. US relations with NATO countries were strained also
On the other side, President Putin may be like a lot of criminals - he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, so he doesnt really care what is happening outside the bubble of Russia. He is going to do what he is going to do, regardless.
How you manage to miss so much astounds me.
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@taiwan_girl said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
Yes, saying what would have happened if Presdient Trump was still president is impossible.
On on side, President Trump (in my thinking) moved the US back more into an isolationist type of mentality. So, President Putin would have probably done the same thing, maybe even earlier, thinking that the US would have a minimal response and would not have wanted to get involved at all in another foreign conflict. US relations with NATO countries were strained also
On the other side, President Putin may be like a lot of criminals - he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, so he doesnt really care what is happening outside the bubble of Russia. He is going to do what he is going to do, regardless.
How you manage to miss so much astounds me.
@Larry said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
@taiwan_girl said in That was a valid point from Trump...:
Yes, saying what would have happened if Presdient Trump was still president is impossible.
On on side, President Trump (in my thinking) moved the US back more into an isolationist type of mentality. So, President Putin would have probably done the same thing, maybe even earlier, thinking that the US would have a minimal response and would not have wanted to get involved at all in another foreign conflict. US relations with NATO countries were strained also
On the other side, President Putin may be like a lot of criminals - he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, so he doesnt really care what is happening outside the bubble of Russia. He is going to do what he is going to do, regardless.
How you manage to miss so much astounds me.
I am glad I am able to astound you!
