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Well, the cruise missiles are flying..

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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    How long before the (inevitable) fall of Ukraine, two weeks? Three?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @George-K said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

      Wonder if this stops at Ukraine.

      There's a significant Russian population in the Baltic states.

      uh huh.

      LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #10

      @Aqua-Letifer said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

      @George-K said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

      Wonder if this stops at Ukraine.

      There's a significant Russian population in the Baltic states.

      uh huh.

      There’s a significant Russian population in Gaithersburg Maryland as well…

      The Brad

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
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        #11

        We have a pretty large Russian community here in my neighborhood too.

        I don't think he will try for the Baltics. At least not yet. That's coming up against NATO. But then I didn't think he'd try to take Ukraine either.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #12

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #13

            Wonder if Germany is reconsidering their military budget?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              Many more videos via Twitter here:

              https://notthebee.com/article/videos-from-russias-invasion-of-ukraine

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Wonder if Germany is reconsidering their military budget?

                KlausK Offline
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                Klaus
                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                @Jolly said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

                Wonder if Germany is reconsidering their military budget?

                Tentatively, yes.

                But I guess at the end of the day we will continue our journey into self-chosen dependence and irrelevance.

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                • AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
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                  #16

                  Economic sanctions:

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/02/23/biden-sanctions-putin-ukraine-russia/

                  … cut off two major Russian banks [VEB and Promsvyazbank] from U.S. financing and to bar American investors from buying Russian government bonds.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #17

                    That was after the initial move. There should be more today.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • George KG George K

                      Many more videos via Twitter here:

                      https://notthebee.com/article/videos-from-russias-invasion-of-ukraine

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      @George-K said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

                      Many more videos via Twitter here:

                      https://notthebee.com/article/videos-from-russias-invasion-of-ukraine

                      That’s the biggest advantage they have over the Ukrainians. There were requests for the US to at least enforce a no-fly zone.

                      I heard a retired Colonel that was sent to the Ukrainian forces that n the late 90’s. He likened them to the Orcs from LotR. A bunch of big ugly guys that like to drink a lot and fight more. He also said there is an extreme amount of racism between the Ukrainians and the Russian Ukrainians. He predicts a quick initial fall and a long guerrilla campaign. He described Putin as the dog that finally catches the car…

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @George-K said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

                        Many more videos via Twitter here:

                        https://notthebee.com/article/videos-from-russias-invasion-of-ukraine

                        That’s the biggest advantage they have over the Ukrainians. There were requests for the US to at least enforce a no-fly zone.

                        I heard a retired Colonel that was sent to the Ukrainian forces that n the late 90’s. He likened them to the Orcs from LotR. A bunch of big ugly guys that like to drink a lot and fight more. He also said there is an extreme amount of racism between the Ukrainians and the Russian Ukrainians. He predicts a quick initial fall and a long guerrilla campaign. He described Putin as the dog that finally catches the car…

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
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                        @LuFins-Dad

                        He described Putin as the dog that finally catches the car…

                        I think that story ends with, "OK, I caught it. Now what do I do with it?"

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          Wonder if this stops at Ukraine.

                          George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by George K
                          #20

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

                          Wonder if this stops at Ukraine.

                          https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-russia-estonia-race-and-ethnicity-soviet-union-187f098422b7a3170143de238865b526

                          Should be noted that, unlike Ukraine, the Baltics are members of NATO. Not sure if that changes the dynamic, but "an attack on one is an attack on all."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            It damn well better.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
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                              #22

                              Why Ukraine matters: (Saw this on FB, not verified but I think it is true)

                              For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
                              This is why Ukraine matters.
                              It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
                              of over 40 million - more than Poland.
                              Ukraine ranks:
                              1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
                              2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
                              2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
                              2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
                              2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
                              3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
                              4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
                              7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
                              Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
                              1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
                              3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
                              1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
                              2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
                              3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
                              4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
                              5th largest rye producer in the world;
                              5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
                              8th place in the world in wheat exports;
                              9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
                              16th place in the world in cheese exports.
                              Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
                              Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
                              1st in Europe in ammonia production;
                              Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
                              3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
                              3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
                              3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
                              3rd largest iron exporter in the world
                              4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
                              4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
                              4th place in the world in clay exports
                              4th place in the world in titanium exports
                              8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
                              9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
                              10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
                              Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Why Ukraine matters: (Saw this on FB, not verified but I think it is true)

                                For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
                                This is why Ukraine matters.
                                It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
                                of over 40 million - more than Poland.
                                Ukraine ranks:
                                1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
                                2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
                                2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
                                2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
                                2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
                                3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
                                4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
                                7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
                                Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
                                1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
                                3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
                                1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
                                2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
                                3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
                                4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
                                5th largest rye producer in the world;
                                5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
                                8th place in the world in wheat exports;
                                9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
                                16th place in the world in cheese exports.
                                Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
                                Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
                                1st in Europe in ammonia production;
                                Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
                                3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
                                3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
                                3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
                                3rd largest iron exporter in the world
                                4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
                                4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
                                4th place in the world in clay exports
                                4th place in the world in titanium exports
                                8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
                                9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
                                10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
                                Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.

                                AxtremusA Offline
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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #23

                                @Mik "Why Ukraine matters" ... putting together a list of "whys" is easy. Quantifying "how much" is what determines actions or lack thereof.

                                How much does Ukraine matter?

                                Answer that in terms of American treasures determines what monetary and material aid the USA send Ukraine.

                                Answer that in terms of American lives determines whether we send ground troops.

                                Will Congress pass a resolution to send material aid to Ukraine anytime soon? Maybe. How much will the resolution authorize? Don't know.

                                Will Congress declare war, will the Commander in Chief send group troops? So far it looks like the answers to both are most likely "no." Cannot remember the exact figure now, but recently I cited a popular opinion poll that says a large majority of Americans do not support sending American ground troops to Ukraine.

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #24

                                  Chernobyl Captured

                                  The Chernobyl nuclear power plant has been captured by Russian forces, an adviser to the Ukrainian presidential office, Mykhailo Podolyak, said on Thursday.

                                  "It is impossible to say the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is safe after a totally pointless attack by the Russians," he said.

                                  "This is one of the most serious threats in Europe today," Podolyak said.

                                  Russian troops took over the power plant while Ukrainian forces battled them on three sides on Thursday after Moscow mounted an assault by land, sea and air in the biggest attack on a European state since World War Two.

                                  Some Russian military massed in the Chernobyl "exclusion zone" before crossing into Ukraine early on Thursday, a Russian security source said.

                                  Russia wants to control the Chernobyl nuclear reactor to signal NATO not to interfere militarily, the same source said.

                                  The Chernobyl disaster in then-Soviet Ukraine sent clouds of nuclear material across much of Europe in 1986 after a botched safety test in the fourth reactor of the atomic plant.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #25

                                    Nothing concentrates a man's mind, quite like an imminent hanging.

                                    Wonder what the Europeans are thinking today?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • HoraceH Offline
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                                      Horace
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                                      Is there a point to Ukraine resisting other than a desire to die fighting?

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        What do they want with Chernobyl???

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          Is there a point to Ukraine resisting other than a desire to die fighting?

                                          CopperC Offline
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                                          @Horace said in Well, the cruise missiles are flying..:

                                          Is there a point to Ukraine resisting other than a desire to die fighting?

                                          Thoughts from nyt

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/22/world/europe/chernobyl-ukraine-invasion-russia.html

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