Xenon, the White Supremacist
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@xenon said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
@jolly said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
British Columbia starts to back off...
Horrible timing for Trudeau - he's having a showdown with the anti-mandate forces at the precise moment that many are thinking that the acute phase of the pandemic may be over. Pulling back will look like a capitulation. But them be the breaks.
BC is going about this prudently unlike Alberta and Saskatchewan that are proceeding in their usual reckless fashion to appease their rural base.
BC has managed the pandemic quite well throughout. I do not think it causes any timing issues for Trudeauās government. In any case Horgan has publically stated that he fully supports the Emergency Act and will stand behind its enforcement in BC should the need arise.
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The whole thing is one of the stupidest fucking things that I have ever seen. At this point, the vaccine does jack shit against spread without the booster and the booster IS NOT IN THE REQUIREMENT. Plus, at this point Omicron is running out of fuel. The Canadian and US governments got by just fine waiving this requirement for a year now, and now they are going to make a point of it NOW? Stupid.
Plus, the Canadian Government has mismanaged this horribly. Every step they've taken has exacerbated it. Illegal demonstration? Sure is... So don't go on TV and yell and scream. Ignore them publicly and send the police to start impounding the trucks. Don't address it. All they've done is add fuel to the fire.
On the other side, how the hell do you compare a group of protestors parking trucks at intersections to groups of thugs that blocked streets by jumping on vehicles and breaking the windows with ball bats. Any attempt at equivalency disqualifies your argument, period.
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Thanks for reaching out and sharing your impressions. I agree it was a failure by the Ottawa Police that precipitated this. The Ontario government did nothing to correct the problem until it was too late and now the Gāovt of Canada owns it lock, stock and barrel.
Nevertheless it would be highly appreciated if the American Right would stop fuelling it with their world renowned and ongoing media disinformation.
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@renauda said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
Thanks for sharing. I agree it was a failure by the Ottawa Police that precipitated this. The Ontario government did nothing to correct the problem until it was too late and now the Gāovt of Canada owns it lock, stock and barrel.
Nevertheless it would be highly appreciated if then American Right would stop fuelling it with their world renowned and ongoing media disinformation.
Well, the fear of a similar action in the US has helped spur some local civic leaders to start taking their own actions... https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/coronavirus/dc-drops-mask-mandates/2972028/ So, from a purely political and local perspective, it was basically a win to support the Canadian Truckers...
Me/rry/Christmas
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I will not speak to actions taken in the US relaxing pandemic restrictions unless those specific actions in some way affect this country.
Suffice to say however that what is happening here now has very little to do with truckers or their issues with pandemic related restrictions.
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Justin Castro tells Jewish MP they support swastikas...
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I did Nazi that coming. It definitely puts me out of mein kampfort zone.
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@renauda said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
@jolly said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
Stop and look how the Ottawa protest has been framed (and I do mean framed) in Canadian media. I often complain about the bias of American media. Nice to know our friends to the North are not one whit better.
Since you posted that shitshow Tucker Carlson presented on the protests, I have made a point of checking daily what Fox News is posting about it on their website.
Hate to tell you but what Fox is posting bears little or no relation to what is actually happening here or how resentful the vast majority of Canadians are feeling towards these protests. In fact I would it put it to you that Fox is deliberately publishing outright lies with intent to sow disinformation and incite militancy. A lot of what it gets appears to come from Rebel News, a Canadian fake news site that caters to the lunatic fringe of the Canadian anglophone right wing - you know, the same vermin with the arms and ammo that were arrested Monday am at the Coutts border crossing.
I saw a compilation on Twitter of various right wing Fox hosts practically begging the audience to start similar mayhem here.
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@lufins-dad said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
On the other side, how the hell do you compare a group of protestors parking trucks at intersections to groups of thugs that blocked streets by jumping on vehicles and breaking the windows with ball bats. Any attempt at equivalency disqualifies your argument, period.
This happens a lot on TNCR. Itās like thereās two entirely separate conversations going on. I think Iām discussing a really specific topic (like about whether governments should allow protestors to close highways) and my interlocutor is having an entirely different discussion - namely, who are the good guys, and who are the bad guys? Which tribe is better than which?
Thatās really the only way to make sense of Georgeās response to me and your comment above.
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@jon-nyc said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
Iām discussing a really specific topic (like about whether governments should allow protestors to close highways) and my interlocutor is having an entirely different discussion
Forgot to respond yesterday, apologies....
No, the government should not allow protestors to close highways. I thought I was clear when I said, "Get a permit." Sorry if I wasn't.
But to try to make my point more clear, the same folks who either cheered or ignored the BLM protests, not only here in the US, but also in Canada (Trudeau took a knee, if you recall), are all about law and order now. He was silent when statues in Toronto were defaced in the name of BLM. Yet, putting an upside-down Canadian flag on a statue is an outrage.
DeBlasio was silent when BLM shut down the George Washington Bridge in September 2020. Trudeau stood in solidarity with Indian farmers who protested and blocked streets last year.
So yeah, some protests are good, and some are bad, depending on what's being protested. My point, which I think you missed, is that breaking the law is breaking the law. Period.
If blocking streets is breaking the law now, lock 'em up.
If it was breaking the law back then, why weren't they locked up then?
Standing "in solidarity" with one group because of your political stance on an issue should be irrelevant. Block a street - get arrested as far as I'm concerned.
Honk honk? A nuisance as well. There are restrictions in every city and town as to noise. Follow the law.
My apologies for not being clear.
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@jon-nyc said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
@lufins-dad said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
On the other side, how the hell do you compare a group of protestors parking trucks at intersections to groups of thugs that blocked streets by jumping on vehicles and breaking the windows with ball bats. Any attempt at equivalency disqualifies your argument, period.
This happens a lot on TNCR. Itās like thereās two entirely separate conversations going on. I think Iām discussing a really specific topic (like about whether governments should allow protestors to close highways) and my interlocutor is having an entirely different discussion - namely, who are the good guys, and who are the bad guys? Which tribe is better than which?
Thatās really the only way to make sense of Georgeās response to me and your comment above.
Note my earlier comment. The truckers are illegally blocking intersections? Go in and start removing them. Donāt wait 2-3 weeks. If you wait 2-3 weeks, then you have legitimized their protest.
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@jon-nyc said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
@renauda said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
@jolly said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
Stop and look how the Ottawa protest has been framed (and I do mean framed) in Canadian media. I often complain about the bias of American media. Nice to know our friends to the North are not one whit better.
Since you posted that shitshow Tucker Carlson presented on the protests, I have made a point of checking daily what Fox News is posting about it on their website.
Hate to tell you but what Fox is posting bears little or no relation to what is actually happening here or how resentful the vast majority of Canadians are feeling towards these protests. In fact I would it put it to you that Fox is deliberately publishing outright lies with intent to sow disinformation and incite militancy. A lot of what it gets appears to come from Rebel News, a Canadian fake news site that caters to the lunatic fringe of the Canadian anglophone right wing - you know, the same vermin with the arms and ammo that were arrested Monday am at the Coutts border crossing.
I saw a compilation on Twitter of various right wing Fox hosts practically begging the audience to start similar mayhem here.
Begging is a bridge too far.
Support? Why, yes! And it makes sense at a very elemental level. Does any government in a free society have the power to mandate its citizens or subjects do something totally useless (or almost so) and back that edict up with the power (Force. All power emanates from the barrel of a gun) of the government?
Let's say all citizens of New York are ordered to paint their faces blue, and if it is not done, all New York citizens will be subject to fines, arrest and imprisonment. Would it make sense to protest that mandate by peaceful means?
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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Only if New Yorkers were prohibited from wearing matching non polyester accessories to augment their blue faces.
Letās say we all start playing silly bugger.
That said, jon is correct, lines tend be drawn along tribal affiliations and sympathies. I see what is currently happening in Ottawa as an illegal occupation holding a seditious agenda insidiously masquerading as a citizensā peaceful protest against vaccine mandates and government over reach. The peaceful truckerās protest train left the station three weeks ago. Home grown extremists hijacked the demonstration and are using truckers and anti mandate sympathizers as pawns. The events are such that a majority in Parliament along with several provincial premiers also see it that way and are addressing the threats through legislative and legitimate means.
Likewise, it is of little consequence to me whether others view our politicians as maintaining a double standard with regard to past protests and protesters. There is a double standard and the politicians of all parties are all guilty of it. That is the nature of political life and Iām really not all that interested in hearing or reading other people drone on about it in relation to the here and now. What does interest me and I do care about is ending this occupation sooner rather than later. So if takes the full coercive power the state to meet that objective, then make it so.
To quote another Trudeau from another time, āthe bleeding hearts can just go ahead and bleedā.
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But to try to make my point more clear, the same folks who either cheered or ignored the BLM protests, not only here in the US, but also in Canada (Trudeau took a knee, if you recall), are all about law and order now.
Surely youāve noticed most of the law and order crowd from 2020 cheering this on?
I know, ābut these arenāt nearly as violent as BLMā¦.ā And thatās true. But not every protest was violent, and I didnāt see anyone forgiving traffic blocking in 2020 as long as no violence occurred.
On the contrary, several GOP states even passed bills eliminating liability for drivers that strike protesters blocking roads. None of those bills have a clause saying ābut only if thereās violenceā
Like I said in my earlier post, this little Venn diagram intersection where I sit is nearly empty. Disappointingly but predictably so.
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@jon-nyc said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
But to try to make my point more clear, the same folks who either cheered or ignored the BLM protests, not only here in the US, but also in Canada (Trudeau took a knee, if you recall), are all about law and order now.
Surely youāve noticed most of the law and order crowd from 2020 cheering this on?
I know, ābut these arenāt nearly as violent as BLMā¦.ā And thatās true. But not every protest was violent, and I didnāt see anyone forgiving traffic blocking in 2020 as long as no violence occurred.
On the contrary, several GOP states even passed bills eliminating liability for drivers that strike protesters blocking roads. None of those bills have a clause saying ābut only if thereās violenceā
Like I said in my earlier post, this little Venn diagram intersection where I sit is nearly empty. Disappointingly but predictably so.
Yeah, most people will support a right to protest, but I don't see anybody having a right to stop other people from doing their jobs, and block traffic from getting through for days on end.
There's a real lack of self-awareness from both sides on this. Well, that's a charitable interpretation, at least.
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That vaccine mandates are an overextension of government authority over individual rights is a reasonable point that can be held by reasonable people. No fictitious narrative required. The BLM protests on the other hand require belief in fictitious narratives. Which is not to say that none of those against mandates believe in fictitious narratives. Iām sure there is a strong contingent within that group who do. But itās not necessary. The extrapolation of George Floyd to systemic cop on minority violence was always a fictitious narrative, and 100% of the outraged protesters were all in on it.
Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
That vaccine mandates are an overextension of government authority over individual rights is a reasonable point that can be held by reasonable people. No fictitious narrative required. The BLM protests on the other hand require belief in fictitious narratives. Which is not to say that none of those against mandates believe in fictitious narratives. Iām sure there is a strong contingent within that group who do. But itās not necessary. The extrapolation of George Floyd to systemic cop on minority violence was always a fictitious narrative, and 100% of the outraged protesters were all in on it.
Freedom to protest isn't a function of whether you believe in what the people are protesting over, or whether you agree with them as 'reasonable' people.
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