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What is "Classical" music?

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  • D Doctor Phibes
    15 Feb 2022, 00:14

    @george-k said in What is "Classical" music?:

    "Classical," is often described as "serious" music. It's not ear candy, and demands of the listener to pay attention. However, it's (usually) not as open to improvisation, so it's reproducible.

    It wasn't always like that. Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin were all monster improvisers.

    I think it's gone backwards in that regard. All people really do now is 'interpret'. It's objectively a much less creative process.

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    George K
    wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 00:18 last edited by
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    @doctor-phibes said in What is "Classical" music?:

    It wasn't always like that. Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin were all monster improvisers.

    Indeed. I think Beethoven participated in some "improvisation competitions."

    As I said, that died out by the end of the 19th century.

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    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • G George K
      15 Feb 2022, 00:18

      @doctor-phibes said in What is "Classical" music?:

      It wasn't always like that. Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin were all monster improvisers.

      Indeed. I think Beethoven participated in some "improvisation competitions."

      As I said, that died out by the end of the 19th century.

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 00:23 last edited by
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      @george-k said in What is "Classical" music?:

      As I said, that died out by the end of the 19th century.

      Which is a bit sad. It means that the music of that era is stuck, and the most people can do is re-interpret rather than create.

      A bit like what Wynton Marsalis seems to want to do to jazz - he still champions improvisation, but innovation, not so much.

      I was only joking

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      • G George K
        15 Feb 2022, 00:18

        @doctor-phibes said in What is "Classical" music?:

        It wasn't always like that. Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin were all monster improvisers.

        Indeed. I think Beethoven participated in some "improvisation competitions."

        As I said, that died out by the end of the 19th century.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 00:27 last edited by
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        @george-k said in What is "Classical" music?:

        @doctor-phibes said in What is "Classical" music?:

        It wasn't always like that. Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin were all monster improvisers.

        Indeed. I think Beethoven participated in some "improvisation competitions."

        As I said, that died out by the end of the 19th century.

        It does have a limited revival, though. Alma Deutscher. Gabriela Montero. Conrad Tao. A couple more. Not a lot, but it's a start.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 00:34 last edited by
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          In the Honor Harrington SF series, one of the planets was originally settled by Christians somewhat akin to Mormons. The planet is known for its affectation for an obscure form of classical music, Country & Western.

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            Larry
            wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 01:36 last edited by Larry
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            I wonder what kind of music Liszt would have written if he had gotten his hands on an 88 key workstation....,,

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 03:11 last edited by
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              George, the definition changes a lot depending on whether you are talking about a musician actually playing the music, a musician listening to the music, or a non-musician listening. The fact is that for most listeners, Classical Music is more “ear candy” than any other type/style.

              Also, most classical = country directly… Classical music is strongly influenced by and in many cases directly rips off folk music of various cultures. That folk music is as country as country gets…

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 03:52 last edited by
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                My "today's musical interlude" :

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                • L LuFins Dad
                  15 Feb 2022, 03:11

                  George, the definition changes a lot depending on whether you are talking about a musician actually playing the music, a musician listening to the music, or a non-musician listening. The fact is that for most listeners, Classical Music is more “ear candy” than any other type/style.

                  Also, most classical = country directly… Classical music is strongly influenced by and in many cases directly rips off folk music of various cultures. That folk music is as country as country gets…

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                  Renauda
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                  @lufins-dad said in What is "Classical" music?:

                  George, the definition changes a lot depending on whether you are talking about a musician actually playing the music, a musician listening to the music, or a non-musician listening. The fact is that for most listeners, Classical Music is more “ear candy” than any other type/style.

                  Also, most classical = country directly… Classical music is strongly influenced by and in many cases directly rips off folk music of various cultures. That folk music is as country as country gets…

                  True enough though I think we now tend to think of it as cliche more than ear candy. But in my parents’ generation it was definitely ear candy.

                  Exactly right about the folk music influence. From Haydn and throughout the Romantic period. All the big name composers relied heavily on folk music for melodic lines. Even sometimes harmonic ideas if they wanted to sound “oriental” or nationalist. A lot of folk themes used in 20th century classical as well. Not just by Bartok either.

                  Elbows up!

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 17 Feb 2022, 01:44 last edited by
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                    Where do Polkas land in this spectrum?

                    The Brad

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                    • L LuFins Dad
                      17 Feb 2022, 01:44

                      Where do Polkas land in this spectrum?

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                      Larry
                      wrote on 17 Feb 2022, 01:47 last edited by Larry
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                      @lufins-dad said in What is "Classical" music?:

                      Where do Polkas land in this spectrum?

                      Rap music by golly from down the way, dontcha know.....

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                      • L Larry
                        17 Feb 2022, 01:47

                        @lufins-dad said in What is "Classical" music?:

                        Where do Polkas land in this spectrum?

                        Rap music by golly from down the way, dontcha know.....

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 17 Feb 2022, 02:31 last edited by
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                        @larry said in What is "Classical" music?:

                        @lufins-dad said in What is "Classical" music?:

                        Where do Polkas land in this spectrum?

                        Rap music by golly from down the way, dontcha know.....

                        The Schmenge Brothers rock:

                        Link to video

                        Edmonton’s gift to the world.

                        Elbows up!

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