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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    So as to not to derail Horace's ACL thread.

    How many EMR are there in common use?

    Epic?
    Cerner?

    Mrs. George's pain doc has a system I'm totally unfamiliar with.

    Do ANY of them talk to each other?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      They are getting there, but it’s still by request and requires patient consent. I suspect that concept has been tortured for expediency, but it’s still a hurdle. Epic and Cerner are the big dogs but Meditech is still out there as is Athena

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        They are getting there, but it’s still by request and requires patient consent. I suspect that concept has been tortured for expediency, but it’s still a hurdle. Epic and Cerner are the big dogs but Meditech is still out there as is Athena

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        George K
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        @mik said in "Common Platform":

        They are getting there

        And, it's only been, what, 10 years?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #4

          At least. Really it’s been since HIPAA, but Obama accelerated it. I was working on it in 2003 when I was PM candidate for Indiana’s Icare Connect, which died on the vine. You should have been in the C level meetings on that.

          Then I was a candidate for Kentucky’s similar effort, which also died.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            Sunquest in a lot of labs.

            And y'all forgot the small fry, of which there are a few like CPSI.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by Mik
              #6

              The reference labs were really the first to communicate, because they had to. But even when I started with Epic in 2012 it was a freaking mess.

              One of the large barriers is just plain laziness. When I started with the Cologuard folks in 2019 they were implementing Epic and had a homegrown orders and results interface, each custom for every sender. Why, you ask? Because they knew nothing of interfaces and the hospitals hornswoggled them into believing they had no one who could customize ones to Cologuard's specification. I had worked with that spec in 2015 in Tennessee and it was very nonspecific.

              So, because they did not understand that every reference lab needs pretty strict specs you have to meet in order to send orders and receive results, they had about 100 custom interfaces and were bringing more on all the time. They considered it partnering with their customers. It was insane. I tried to gently persuade them of this for which I was labeled a malcontent.

              Once testing for Epic started and they realized the ungodly amount of testing and documentation it took so they could sign CLIA certification they finally came around. But they hated me for it. 😆

              This is just one story of one facet of the difficulties in connecting healthcare. HL7 was supposed to fix a lot of it but it too was too far too flexible to adapt without heavy customization.

              FHIR may help. It's basically defined XML, but that is very wordy and will present its own difficulties.

              Still a long way to go for, IMO, very little clinical benefit in most cases. It's really for aggregating statistics for the bean counters.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                The reference labs were really the first to communicate, because they had to. But even when I started with Epic in 2012 it was a freaking mess.

                One of the large barriers is just plain laziness. When I started with the Cologuard folks in 2019 they were implementing Epic and had a homegrown orders and results interface, each custom for every sender. Why, you ask? Because they knew nothing of interfaces and the hospitals hornswoggled them into believing they had no one who could customize ones to Cologuard's specification. I had worked with that spec in 2015 in Tennessee and it was very nonspecific.

                So, because they did not understand that every reference lab needs pretty strict specs you have to meet in order to send orders and receive results, they had about 100 custom interfaces and were bringing more on all the time. They considered it partnering with their customers. It was insane. I tried to gently persuade them of this for which I was labeled a malcontent.

                Once testing for Epic started and they realized the ungodly amount of testing and documentation it took so they could sign CLIA certification they finally came around. But they hated me for it. 😆

                This is just one story of one facet of the difficulties in connecting healthcare. HL7 was supposed to fix a lot of it but it too was too far too flexible to adapt without heavy customization.

                FHIR may help. It's basically defined XML, but that is very wordy and will present its own difficulties.

                Still a long way to go for, IMO, very little clinical benefit in most cases. It's really for aggregating statistics for the bean counters.

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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
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                @mik said in "Common Platform":

                Still a long way to go for, IMO, very little clinical benefit in most cases. It's really for aggregating statistics for the bean counters.

                ⬆ ⬆ ⬆ ⬆

                This.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #8

                  Very much so.

                  I used to think for effective change, one first had to hang all the lawyers. I think I'm changing my mind, because starting with beancounters may be even better.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Very much so.

                    I used to think for effective change, one first had to hang all the lawyers. I think I'm changing my mind, because starting with beancounters may be even better.

                    AxtremusA Away
                    AxtremusA Away
                    Axtremus
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                    @jolly said in "Common Platform":

                    I used to think for effective change, one first had to hang all the lawyers. I think I'm changing my mind, because starting with beancounters may be even better.

                    Which one is the root of all evil, the law or the beans?

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