TNCR Brain Trust Question
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@jolly said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
Is there anything growing underneath the tree and is the neighbor's backyard camera'd.
I'm not about to poison it, if that's what you're thinking.
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@jolly said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
Is there anything growing underneath the tree and is the neighbor's backyard camera'd.
I'm not about to poison it, if that's what you're thinking.
@ivorythumper said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@jolly said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
Is there anything growing underneath the tree and is the neighbor's backyard camera'd.
I'm not about to poison it, if that's what you're thinking.
Yeah, that would have some serious legal
exposure. Destroying neighbor's property?Don't go there.
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@ivorythumper said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@jolly said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
Is there anything growing underneath the tree and is the neighbor's backyard camera'd.
I'm not about to poison it, if that's what you're thinking.
Yeah, that would have some serious legal
exposure. Destroying neighbor's property?Don't go there.
@george-k said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@ivorythumper said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@jolly said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
Is there anything growing underneath the tree and is the neighbor's backyard camera'd.
I'm not about to poison it, if that's what you're thinking.
Yeah, that would have some serious legal
exposure. Destroying neighbor's property?Don't go there.
The law basically requires me to get a judgment compelling them to remedy.
I read of a case where the neighbor trimmed to the property line, but the tree then leaned back away from the property line, and the neighbor was sued for over trimming and trespass damage.
I don't know how that was settled but I don't need any exposure to risk.
So the plea to the court would be to compel the neighbor to remedy at their own expense and liability. If the tree dies, that's on them. If any damage happens, that's on them. If the tree cannot be pruned back to property line without risk or damage, and has to be removed, that's on them. The tree is just in the wrong place and has been for decades as soon as it started to trespass. The trespass is negligence which is continuous and always tortious.
So get the judge to say to them "you must remedy the trespass as you see fit, but you must remedy the trespass".
That's how I'm reading the law as the only safe way to proceed without further legal entanglement.
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@george-k said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@ivorythumper said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@jolly said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
Is there anything growing underneath the tree and is the neighbor's backyard camera'd.
I'm not about to poison it, if that's what you're thinking.
Yeah, that would have some serious legal
exposure. Destroying neighbor's property?Don't go there.
The law basically requires me to get a judgment compelling them to remedy.
I read of a case where the neighbor trimmed to the property line, but the tree then leaned back away from the property line, and the neighbor was sued for over trimming and trespass damage.
I don't know how that was settled but I don't need any exposure to risk.
So the plea to the court would be to compel the neighbor to remedy at their own expense and liability. If the tree dies, that's on them. If any damage happens, that's on them. If the tree cannot be pruned back to property line without risk or damage, and has to be removed, that's on them. The tree is just in the wrong place and has been for decades as soon as it started to trespass. The trespass is negligence which is continuous and always tortious.
So get the judge to say to them "you must remedy the trespass as you see fit, but you must remedy the trespass".
That's how I'm reading the law as the only safe way to proceed without further legal entanglement.
@ivorythumper said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
So get the judge to say to them "you must remedy the trespass as you see fit, but you must remedy the trespass".
That's how I'm reading the law as the only safe way to proceed without further legal entanglement.That sound about right to me, but I'm no lawyer.
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Having a bad relationship with neighbours is one of the worst things for ones quality of life, in my opinion. We had bad neighbour relationships in the past, and that was hell. I personally am willing to endure and sacrifice a lot before I risk an angry neighbour.
But in this case, it seems that hope is lost. When lawyers are involved, the relationship is beyond repair.
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Having a bad relationship with neighbours is one of the worst things for ones quality of life, in my opinion. We had bad neighbour relationships in the past, and that was hell. I personally am willing to endure and sacrifice a lot before I risk an angry neighbour.
But in this case, it seems that hope is lost. When lawyers are involved, the relationship is beyond repair.
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Yes, I would say do whatever it takes to keep the relationship cordial, or at least peaceful.
But if it has gone this far, it may be too late.
I found this on nolo, it may not apply in PA
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/trees-neighbors-faq.html#answer-1743433Can I trim the branches of the neighbor's tree that hang over my yard?
You have the legal right to trim tree branches up to the property line. But you may not go onto the neighbor's property or destroy the tree itself.
In almost every state, a person who intentionally injures someone else's tree is liable to the owner for two or three times the amount of actual monetary loss. These penalties protect tree owners by providing harsh deterrents to would-be loggers.
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How much has to be trimmed to allow you to move forward with solar? That’s really the important thing here.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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How much has to be trimmed to allow you to move forward with solar? That’s really the important thing here.
@mik said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
How much has to be trimmed to allow you to move forward with solar? That’s really the important thing here.
Not sure about that. Once the tree's branches cross the property line, it's up to the owner of the trespassed property how to deal with it. What he wants to do with it should be irrelevant.
My concern is whether the trespassed has any liability for damage to the tree that is trespassing, should it die.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Personally, I think everybody is going about this the wrong way.
May I suggest an escalating series of pranks leading to all sorts of crazy hijinks? It always works in the movies…
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They lawyered up. Which means if you pull a leaf off that tree, they're likely going to come after you. So yeah I'd lawyer the hell up.
Barring that, being a game theorist and all, I wonder what she knows about predictive analysis deriving from imperfect information, which in this case might include a flaming poo bag on their front porch or painting giant dicks on all property facing their windows.
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Actually no, I'd go full-on Ted Nancy on their asses. Every 2-3 weeks, draft up some insane bullshit you propose to do to the tree to remedy the situation (paint your side of it so it blends in with your yard, say), and get some yahoo, real or imagined, to provide a quote, just to make them jump through hoops to respond formally.
And there's always returning the leaves that fall on your side via registered mail.
EDIT to add: are CODs still a thing?
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Use a battery drill motor to dig some holes around the feeder roots on your side of the fence (feeder roots go as far out as the canopy) and pour the holes full of Round-up mixed at about four times normal strength. Wait a few weeks, then refill the holes with a more concentrated solution. Repeat as needed.
Hopefully, in about 90 days, this sad, diseased tree will die a merciful death
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Use a battery drill motor to dig some holes around the feeder roots on your side of the fence (feeder roots go as far out as the canopy) and pour the holes full of Round-up mixed at about four times normal strength. Wait a few weeks, then refill the holes with a more concentrated solution. Repeat as needed.
Hopefully, in about 90 days, this sad, diseased tree will die a merciful death
️️@jolly said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
Use a battery drill motor to dig some holes around the feeder roots on your side of the fence (feeder roots go as far out as the canopy) and pour the holes full of Round-up mixed at about four times normal strength. Wait a few weeks, then refill the holes with a more concentrated solution. Repeat as needed.
Yeah, that'll kill the tree to be sure. It won't take a lot of detective work to figure out why that happened.
Better Call Saul.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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May I suggest skunks?
I know a guy…
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@mik said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
How much has to be trimmed to allow you to move forward with solar? That’s really the important thing here.
Not sure about that. Once the tree's branches cross the property line, it's up to the owner of the trespassed property how to deal with it. What he wants to do with it should be irrelevant.
My concern is whether the trespassed has any liability for damage to the tree that is trespassing, should it die.
@george-k said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@mik said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
How much has to be trimmed to allow you to move forward with solar? That’s really the important thing here.
Not sure about that. Once the tree's branches cross the property line, it's up to the owner of the trespassed property how to deal with it. What he wants to do with it should be irrelevant.
My concern is whether the trespassed has any liability for damage to the tree that is trespassing, should it die.
It’s very relevant. If IT can trim back sparingly but enough to proceed without hurting the tree, the neighbor has no cause of action.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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Get as many and as loud wind chimes as possible and hang them on your side of the tree.
Tell them you're looking into the possibility that a family member has come down with Quercus Poisoning from the acorns and demand they pay the medical bills.
Replace the Roundup with copious amounts of food coloring.
Please love yourself.
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@george-k said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
@mik said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
How much has to be trimmed to allow you to move forward with solar? That’s really the important thing here.
Not sure about that. Once the tree's branches cross the property line, it's up to the owner of the trespassed property how to deal with it. What he wants to do with it should be irrelevant.
My concern is whether the trespassed has any liability for damage to the tree that is trespassing, should it die.
It’s very relevant. If IT can trim back sparingly but enough to proceed without hurting the tree, the neighbor has no cause of action.
@mik said in TNCR Brain Trust Question:
If IT can trim back sparingly but enough to proceed without hurting the tree, the neighbor has no cause of action.
Agreed.
The important word is "If."
Leave it to some lawyer to attach blame for the tree's death to IT exercising his rights.
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My guess is their lawyer knows full well that his letter has no force of law, but sent it because that's what he was hired to do. My guess is he expects he will hear from your lawyer, they'll both make a little money, and then their lawyer will tell them they don't stand a chance in court and need to reach a compromise.
I know the type of people your neighbors are - get a lawyer, get a judge's ruling, and then once a judge clarifies the law to them, hire a couple of flunkies to trim the tree. The "value" they are assigning to that tree is ridiculous, by the way.
