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What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #52

    Coleman Hughes, young African American free thinker and public intellectual, has a podcast which is now 50 episodes old. He's had some good, interesting guests on. Sam Harris, Douglas Murray, Charles Murray, Noam Chomsky, Bret Weinstein, Ezra Klein, Loury, McWhorter...

    I just listened to the Charles Murray one, who's written another book on race and IQ. Not because he wanted more of the attention that he'd gotten for The Bell Curve, but because he feels that the woke messaging about systemic white supremacy being to blame for all racial disparities, is destroying the culture. He thinks the achievement gap is an intractable problem that will never be solved. So, he wrote another book asking people to acknowledge realities of IQ differences. Since we'll inevitably attribute achievement gaps to something, he thinks IQ gap is a more socially stable idea than systemic white supremacy.

    Coleman made the counter-argument I'm sympathetic to. That kids shouldn't be told that people of their skin color are on average different, and lesser, by such a viscerally important measure. No caveat about overlapping distributions is going to soften that basic idea. In fact that's my issue with CRT - it teaches the culture that white people hate black people, and we all go into our social and professional interactions with that basic idea implanted. The white person is the only one with full knowledge of whether they are actually rooting for the black person to succeed. What's the black person to think, if they've been taught conspiracy theories their whole lives about what must be going on in the minds of white people?

    I would differ with Murray most strongly in his contention that we've done all we can possibly do to solve the problem, and that what we're left with is an acknowledgment and a mainstreaming of the idea of racial IQ differences. If most of the problematic people come from subcultures of terrible parenting and disastrous neighborhoods, we're losing a lot of good people to the effects of the culture they were born into rather than the effects of their genetics. And we are clearly not doing everything we can to fix those cultures, since as we speak the left is busy warmly accepting it and even romanticizing it.

    Education is extremely important.

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      Horace
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      #53

      Btw I think Coleman is a smart guy, but he's catching on not because of the depth of his insight. He is in the business of picking the plentiful low hanging fruit available to any reasonable and intelligent person of color who wants to go against the epicenter of dumb in our culture - our mainstream ideas about race.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Horace
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        #54

        Really good discussion with Shelby Steele and his son, who made a documentary on the kid from Ferguson who got himself shot. How that narrative was bent into fantasy to conform to the race narrative, how that narrative is entirely about the acquisition of political and cultural power, how Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder were complicit in that power grab. Personally, I'm convinced that nothing gives the lives of white progressives more meaning than a juicy anecdote about a white cop killing a black person. I think it literally induces orgasms in some. Meanwhile, that fictitious narrative continues to damage the culture in general, and the psyches of black children in particular.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #55

          This might be fun:

          A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs

          https://500songs.com

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            #56

            McWhorter was on Sam Harris' podcast today. Good discussion, and of course McWhorter has good ideas. Never touched upon was the idea that only someone of his skin color can say them publicly. It would be nice to have that acknowledged. I'm not entirely sure WcWhorter himself is comfy with acknowledging it. Maybe he thinks he's an academic and thinker that just happened to excavate this truth before anybody else did.

            Education is extremely important.

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              @horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:

              Never touched upon was the idea that only someone of his skin color can say them publicly.

              He notes that all the time on Loury’s podcast. Also last night I started his new book and he mentions that in the first chapter. Says he has an obligation to publish the book because a white guy couldn’t.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                @horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:

                Never touched upon was the idea that only someone of his skin color can say them publicly.

                He notes that all the time on Loury’s podcast. Also last night I started his new book and he mentions that in the first chapter. Says he has an obligation to publish the book because a white guy couldn’t.

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                @jon-nyc said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:

                @horace said in What are you listening to - Podcast Edition?:

                Never touched upon was the idea that only someone of his skin color can say them publicly.

                He notes that all the time on Loury’s podcast. Also last night I started his new book and he mentions that in the first chapter. Says he has an obligation to publish the book because a white guy couldn’t.

                That's good.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  I couldn't pass up today's episode of Ezra Klein's podcast, released under the banner of The New York Times Opinion. It was titled "how far right extremism has invaded politics". Ezra is on vacation, so has a guest host. The show was a conversation between two progressive white women, the host a journalist and the guest an historian. It was a very solemn and very serious discussion of the existential threat of white supremacy. The best part to me was the framing of January 6, which was brought up repeatedly. These two serious thinkers, one of whom is in fact the sort of person who will write grade school textbooks for modern American history classes, managed to pontificate about the root causes of January 6 without once mentioning election theft. It was all white supremacy, soup to nuts, white supremacy all the way down. The magic of human perception of culturally received ideas is that both of those serious and solemn thinkers probably believe that.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    #60

                    There is a podcast about the "Theranos" case called Dropout.

                    (https://abcaudio.com/podcasts/the-dropout/)

                    I think we may have discussed this podcast on the previous forum board, and I know there were a couple of forum threads about the company and case, etc.

                    Anyway, there are new episodes now that the trial has started, and I have been listening to the new episodes.

                    Quite interesting.

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                      Just listened to the most recent episode of The Glenn Show, a conversation with a conservative academic named Amy Wax. Even someone as cynical about American culture as I am was a little taken aback by this truth bomb conversation between two adherents to truth and reality. I recommend our left leaning friends on TNCR not listen to this podcast, the truth bomb may induce too much cognitive dissonance and you may go even crazier than you already are.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #62

                        She wrote a good book called “Race, Wrongs, and Remedies” where she makes the crucial and generally overlooked distinction between ‘liability’ and ‘remedy’ when it comes to (white) society’s role in improving the lot of black America.

                        I’ll definitely listen, I’m a regular listener of his show.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          One of the best rabbit holes I've found:

                          https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/studs-terkel-archive-podcast/id1547088563

                          Please love yourself.

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                            #64

                            Very good 20 minute monologue from Sam Harris today about his friend Joe Rogan and his recent controversies.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              I listened to that right when it dropped and was going to recommend it.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                I thought the Sam Harris opinion on trans athletes from the previous episode was cogent.

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                                  Sam Harris is talking to Gary Kasparov live now on zoom. I think he'll release it as a podcast eventually.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Horace
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                                    Good discussion. It was invite only, (I was invited - no big deal,) so most of you will have to wait for the podcast. By that time, the information will distinguish you less for having it, but I still recommend listening.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Good discussion. It was invite only, (I was invited - no big deal,) so most of you will have to wait for the podcast. By that time, the information will distinguish you less for having it, but I still recommend listening.

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                                      @Horace

                                      I too, being almost as important as you are, was invited.

                                      I found it interesting that, though it was live, they hadn’t heard about the embargo on Russian oil until Sam’s assistant mentioned it at the end.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        #70

                                        Interesting interview with Larry Summers - who does a nice analysis of the inflation situation - likely recession and what interventions might be most useful.

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                                          Just starting listening to this

                                          Boys Like Me

                                          "Why are some lonely, young men a growing threat to our safety? In 2018, a Toronto man drove a van down a busy sidewalk, killing 11 people and injuring many more. He was linked to the "incel" movement, a dark online world fueled by violent misogyny, extreme isolation and perceived rejection. "

                                          Interesting so far.

                                          There was a recent forum thread on "incel".

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