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  • George KG Offline
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    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2021/dec/us-covid-19-vaccination-program-one-year-how-many-deaths-and

    Highlights

    • In the absence of a vaccination program, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional COVID-19 deaths and more than 10.3 million additional COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. by November 2021.
    • Without the U.S. vaccination program, COVID-19 deaths would have been approximately 3.2 times higher and COVID-19 hospitalizations approximately 4.9 times higher than the actual toll during 2021.
    • If no one had been vaccinated, daily deaths from COVID-19 could have jumped to as high as 21,000 per day — nearly 5.2 times the level of the record peak of more than 4,000 deaths per day recorded in January 2021.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Deaths without vax gets lower than deaths with vax at the end.

      I guess because everyone is dead.

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      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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        I'm no immunologist, but I'm not really sure those prediction graphs pass the giggle test, despite my strong belief in vaccinations. That's a fucking great big pile of hypothetical dead bodies to conjure out of thin air.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          I'm no immunologist, but I'm not really sure those prediction graphs pass the giggle test, despite my strong belief in vaccinations. That's a fucking great big pile of hypothetical dead bodies to conjure out of thin air.

          HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          @doctor-phibes said in "Lives saved":

          That's a fucking great big pile of hypothetical dead bodies to conjure out of thin air.

          Everybody needs a hobby.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Online
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            What's really amazing is how much the deaths would have jumped, just as everybody started getting immunized.

            I was only joking

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              The biggest issues that I have with these types of analysis is they assume that:

              1. there would have been no differences in behavior

              2. that there wouldn’t have been any new developments

              Let’s say the mRNA vaccines were not approved for whatever reason… Then funding for all of the various other vaccines wouldn’t have dried up. We might have had an attenuated virus vaccine by April that would have been far better at protecting against all of the variants across the board… Maybe some of the more promising treatment protocols wouldn’t be experimental but in active use well before all of this…

              The Brad

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