Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/15/new-york-city-is-banning-natural-gas-hookups-for-new-buildings.html
The New York City Council on Wednesday voted to pass legislation banning the use of natural gas in most new construction, a move that will substantially slash climate-changing greenhouse gas emissions from the country’s most populous city.
The bill now goes to Mayor Bill de Blasio’s desk for signature. Once signed, the measure will go into effect at the end of 2023 for some buildings under seven stories, and in 2027 for taller buildings. Hospitals, commercial kitchens and laundromats are exempt from the ban.
Under the law, construction projects submitted for approval after 2027 must use sources like electricity for stoves, space heaters and water boilers instead of gas or oil. Residents who currently have gas stoves and heaters in their homes will not be impacted unless they relocate to a new building.
I guess all that electricity is generated by unicorn farts.
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We have something quite similar here. You cannot install a new heating with gas after 2025. The supposed solution is "heat pump". I highly doubt that this solution is going to scale, especially given our shitty energy policy of shutting down clean and reliable nuclear plants.
I believe the plan even demands that all new buildings must be "CO2 neutral" after 2030, which means that they must produce (via solar panels etc.) all energy the consume. An expensive dream. I hope we'll wake up soon.
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Live with a heat pump in a cold climate for a couple years then tell me its a good idea.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@mik said in Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers:
Live with a heat pump in a cold climate for a couple years then tell me its a good idea.
"Officially", these heat pumps still work when it's -10°C. But from what I hear from people who have them is that it boils down to heating with electricity, unless one has optimal conditions (very well insulated house, very low required water temperature for heating, heating rooms to max. 67F or so).
Supposedly things work better when the heat pump uses a deep hole in the ground (I'm not sure what the English technical term for this is) instead of air.
I for one am glad we bought a gas heating .
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@mik said in Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers:
Live with a heat pump in a cold climate for a couple years then tell me its a good idea.
"Officially", these heat pumps still work when it's -10°C. But from what I hear from people who have them is that it boils down to heating with electricity, unless one has optimal conditions (very well insulated house, very low required water temperature for heating, heating rooms to max. 67F or so).
Supposedly things work better when the heat pump uses a deep hole in the ground (I'm not sure what the English technical term for this is) instead of air.
I for one am glad we bought a gas heating .
@klaus said in Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers:
"Officially", these heat pumps still work when it's -10°C.
Wow, that's not really very cold.
I mean, it's cold, but not "I don't dare go out in this weather" cold.
Last winter, I would go for walks when it was -6 C.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@klaus said in Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers:
"Officially", these heat pumps still work when it's -10°C.
Wow, that's not really very cold.
I mean, it's cold, but not "I don't dare go out in this weather" cold.
Last winter, I would go for walks when it was -6 C.
@george-k said in Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers:
@klaus said in Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers:
"Officially", these heat pumps still work when it's -10°C.
Wow, that's not really very cold.
I mean, it's cold, but not "I don't dare go out in this weather" cold.
Last winter, I would go for walks when it was -6 C.
True, but in most areas of Germany, it doesn't get colder than that. Or maybe only on a handful of days per decade.
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Oil has been rapidly decreasing in popularity.
They used to be common in areas that are not connected to the gas network.
I believe by now it's no longer legal to install new oil heatings.
The current breakdown is this:
So, about 1/4 oil heating. Majority is variants of gas. Percentage of heat pumps is still small, but I believe more than 50% of the new heatings are heat pumps.
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@mik said in Like cooking with gas? Sorry, New Yorkers:
Live with a heat pump in a cold climate for a couple years then tell me its a good idea.
Shucks, live with a heat pump down here...Years ago, I worked at a thirty-bedder that installed them. It was a disaster. Too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter, not to mention they broke constantly.
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Done: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/28/nyregion/gas-stove-ban-ny.html
New York may soon become the first state in the nation to ban natural gas in new construction under a budget deal announced by Gov. Kathy Hochul.
The proposal, revealed on Thursday night, has been a priority for environmental groups, who see it as a critical step in reducing New York’s dependence on fossil fuels and helping it meet its emission reduction goals. But it was opposed by the oil and gas industry and treated skeptically by some consumers.
Environmental groups warned that the details of the plan were still unclear and said they worried it may contain a provision that would allow local governments to effectively veto the measure. But Katy Zielinski, a spokeswoman for the governor’s office, said on Friday that no such measure was included in the deal.
“The new law will not have any loopholes that will undermine the intent of this measure,” said Ms. Zielinski. “There will not be any option for municipalities to opt out.”
It is part of the sprawling $229 billion state budget deal announced by the governor, which capped weeks of heated negotiations that have delayed the budget’s passage by almost a month. State lawmakers are expected to vote on the deal next week.Good thing there's tons of free electricity that everyone can tap into.
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I’m sure the governor has planned for every possible outcome.
The natural gas industry will soon realize how lucky they are to have such caring legislators.
Yes, millions will lose their jobs and the cost of coal burning electric power plants will inch up a bit.
But it is for a greater good.
