UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic

[Doctor Phibes]

@renauda said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

I don’t think it’s as simple as vaxxed or unvaxxed this time round. In some ways we’re back to square one albeit we’re more experienced than when the first two waves hit. Will have to see how this plays out with our health care systems. Mild or severe it’s going to be all about numbers.

Received my third Pfizer shot last Saturday. Regardless, I fully expect to be infected this time round given the infectious of this particular mutation.

I'm just hoping that being vaccinated reduces the severity of the illness, as appears to be case until now. That should hopefully reduce the chances of the health systems becoming overwhelmed.

My nephew's just tested positive - he already had it last summer, and now he's got it again, although the symptoms seem pretty mild.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

It's all those damned vaxxed people!

Getting vaccinated is what we'd call in my work 'due diligence'. There's no guarantee of safety, but you're doing what you can to reduce the risk to yourself and others.

Political point-scoring and posturing aside, I haven't seen a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated for those who are able to.

This isn't rocket science. It's not even political science.

[Copper]

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

I haven't seen a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated

Of course not

Showing a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated is forbidden

[Doctor Phibes]

@copper said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

I haven't seen a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated

Of course not

Showing a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated is forbidden

Well can you think of one?

[Copper]

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@copper said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

I haven't seen a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated

Of course not

Showing a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated is forbidden

Well can you think of one?

No, but I can google

CDC has some reasons: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/essentialworker/workplace-vaccination-program.html

But CDC isn't very trustworthy

[Renauda]

No but I can Google

CDC has some reasons: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/essentialworker/workplace-vaccination-program.html

But CDC isn't very trustworthy

Nor is much else that a person can apparently Google on the subject.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@copper said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

I haven't seen a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated

Of course not

Showing a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated is forbidden

Well can you think of one?

Cardiac arrest comes to mind.

[Renauda]

Tell us you didn’t Google that.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@copper said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

I haven't seen a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated

Of course not

Showing a single reasonable argument against getting vaccinated is forbidden

Well can you think of one?

Cardiac arrest comes to mind.

That’s like saying don’t shelter in your basement during a tornado in case you get carbon monoxide poisoning

[Renauda]

@doctor-phibes

Not to mention radon gas in basements. Huge around these parts - well at least a huge money maker.

[Jolly]

@renauda said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

Tell us you didn’t Google that.

Didn't have to. Tachycardia, A-fib and blood clots are side effects of the vaccine.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@renauda said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

Tell us you didn’t Google that.

Didn't have to. Tachycardia, A-fib and blood clots are side effects of the vaccine.

Yeah, but not exactly a good reason to stay unvaccinated.

I realise this has become heavily politicised, but it really shouldn't be. There's no good reason that I'm aware of not to get the shot. Both my kids are vaccinated, as are both their parents.

[Doctor Phibes]

You know what all the people posting comparisons with WW2 should note?

How fucking stupid we've become.

Anybody who compares the holocaust with wearing a mask shouldn't be allowed out on their own.

Anybody who spends hours of their day trying to undermine efforts to vaccinate the population is either an imbecile, or an arsehole. Quite possibly both.

800,000 dead Americans, and we're worrying about the vaccine?

It's not the vaccine that's killing people.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@jolly said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@renauda said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

Tell us you didn’t Google that.

Didn't have to. Tachycardia, A-fib and blood clots are side effects of the vaccine.

Yeah, but not exactly a good reason to stay unvaccinated.

I realise this has become heavily politicised, but it really shouldn't be. There's no good reason that I'm aware of not to get the shot. Both my kids are vaccinated, as are both their parents.

There's quite a few good reasons not to get vaxxed, usually revolving around vaccine side effects or religious exemptions. And as Omicron is proving, being vaxxed is not preventing people from catching the disease or passing it on. It does look like being vaxxed can reduce the severity of symptoms in the latest variant, which is a good thing.

But right now, I think I heard we are approaching 2000 variations of the virus, albeit most of them not very different. As time passes, there will be many, many more variants. We could be literally taking boosters every thirty days.

At what time do we quit ostracizing people for not taking the vaccine?

[Renauda]

@jolly said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

@renauda said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

Tell us you didn’t Google that.

Didn't have to. Tachycardia, A-fib and blood clots are side effects of the vaccine.

Yes, I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard that in some cases there are no known side effects. My three shots made me want to take afternoon naps.

I don’t usually like to nap in the daytime.

[bachophile]

Quite honestly I’ve become nihilistic and without empathy.

No vaxx? I hope the regret you feel in the ICU won’t be too unbearable.

And by the way, I really don’t know of any substantiated case of people dropping dead after a vaccination. From the amount I read on Twitter, it’s a miracle any of us are still alive. Almost a pandemic of sudden deaths.

[George K]

@bachophile said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

I really don’t know of any substantiated case of people dropping dead after a vaccination.

Indeed. However, I believe it was Japan that instituted a warning for the Pfizer vaccine regarding an increased risk of myocarditis.

In the context of lives saved, I'd say it's a minuscule difference.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

There's quite a few good reasons not to get vaxxed, usually revolving around vaccine side effects or religious exemptions.

I wonder how many religious exemptions are anything more than 'well, you know, I'm not sure about this, but it doesn't seem right, somehow...'

[Jolly]

@bachophile said in UK has highest number of Covid cases in a day since the start of the pandemic:

Quite honestly I’ve become nihilistic and without empathy.

No vaxx? I hope the regret you feel in the ICU won’t be too unbearable.

And by the way, I really don’t know of any substantiated case of people dropping dead after a vaccination. From the amount I read on Twitter, it’s a miracle any of us are still alive. Almost a pandemic of sudden deaths.

My wife went into A-fib with her first shot. could literally watch her chest spasm. I couldn't take her pulse rate, not even at the carotid. Her BP was somewhere in the 170/120 range last time I was able to take it. Took three Clonidine and a time that seemed like eternity to get her to the point I wasn't taking her to the ER.

Her sister thought she had COVID again after her first shot. Absolutely knocked her on her ass for two weeks. 102 fever, loss of taste and smell and even developed the COVID cough.

My wife had her second shot after five of her docs talked it over. I'd have to ask her, but I remember her having to coordinate taking the shot early in the morning, along with a couple of cardiac meds she doesn't normally take. There was also rescue medicine prescribed and a red line that necessitated us heading for the ER, with the cardiologist's private cell phone number in her phone.

My SIL never did get her second shot. CDC followed her with a weekly call for months, to make sure she recovered. She was one of the topics at a medical board meeting at our Lady of the Lake. Upon recommendations of the COVID team, the hospital has waived any requirement for her second shot.

Adverse reactions to the vaccine are real and they are documented in the literature. Those reactions do include serious disease and death. Not common, but it definitely happens.

COVID does cause deaths. And they're lousy deaths, given the symptoms and the sometime lengthy hospital stays. But if COVID were smallpox, a helluva lot more of us would be dead. It's not. COVID is primarily a disease which preys upon the old, the infirm and the immunocompromised. Deaths in the fifty and under age groups, when the patient has no comorbidities, surely does happen, but in numbers so small as to be newsworthy. And people know this, which is why vaxx rates in the U.S. are very good among seniors, but decrease as people become younger in age.

So let's step back and consider this issue a bit...Why are we mandating vaccines, with draconian penalties for the unvaxxed, when the vaccine does not prevent infection at anywhere near the first claimed levels and it does not prevent the vaxxed from transmitting COVID? Omicron is a disease of the vaxxed in the West, where countries with very high vaccination rates are seeing surges.

Why haven't we taken a harder look at natural immunity and subsequent infection rates vs. various mutations. I'm sure there are a few studies, but nothing that has made it into the nightly MSM news. Why are we not ramping up production of monoclonal antibodies with the same vigor we pursued a vaccine? Why are we not vigorously pursuing therapeutics in general, as much as we push vaccine mandates?

The truth is that we need to try to continue to persuade people in the U.S. to take the COVID vaccine. But as variants multiply and as vaccine formulations change to try to meet the latest threat, we will always be one step behind the virus. It is endemic. Hopefully, it eventually morphs down to a highly contagious nuisance, like its brother cold virus.

To take people's jobs away -including people with white coats that treated and took care of COVID patients - or to institute other, similar draconian measures against them, is simply a bridge too far. Persuade them, charge them a bit more for health or life insurance, but to hammer them into submission for a vaccine that does not prevent the illness, does not negate transmission and may not even be effective against the next variant is simply fear, not logic.

[jon-nyc]