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Nah, ain’t about politics at all

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @jolly

    Maybe I am not making you understand me.I think it applies to any country.

    Want to get on an airplane? have to go through an x-ray machine.

    But I think that X-rays machines are sucking the soul from my body. I cannot agree.

    Okay. Than you can't fly.

    My kids will be starting school next year.

    Okay, you need immunization X, Y, Z

    But I dont believe in those.

    Okay, you cannot go to a public school.

    Wearing clothes is like wearing a mask. An infringement on my rights.

    Okay, but you are no longer allowed to go out in public.

    CopperC Offline
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    Copper
    wrote on last edited by Copper
    #53

    What exactly is being protected?

    I mean exactly, without question.

    That is unknown.

    The question is not, what is the law? I don't think the mandate is actually a law.

    The question is why?

    The answer is just not very well defined.

    I think we can all agree with, shut up. But there is an element of doubt.

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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #54

      You're mandating a vaccine that does not prevent infection from the disease you may possibly be infected by. It also does not prevent you from transmitting that disease to others, whether they have been vaccinated or not.

      So, why the mandate? And if the mandate is so effective, why limit it to only companies with over 100 employees?

      I certainly can see government trying to persuade people to take the COVID vaccine. I can understand insurance companies raising rates on the unvaccinated.

      But the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in the traditional sense of the word, and the approach of public health should reflect that.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Axtremus
        wrote on last edited by
        #55

        “Government propaganda for your five year old”

        https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/big-bird-vaccine-announcement-sparks-backlash-conservatives-gop-n1283425

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          Jolly
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          #56

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          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #57

            alt text

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
              #58

              https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

              … People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
              …
              In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
              …
              Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
              …
              … the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. …

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

                … People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
                …
                In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
                …
                Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
                …
                … the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. …

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                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                #59

                @axtremus said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:

                https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

                … People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
                …
                In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
                …
                Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
                …
                … the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. …

                Ice cream sales and murder rates.

                (For @George-K and other latin nerds, post hoc, ergo propter hoc. )

                Please love yourself.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

                  … People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
                  …
                  In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
                  …
                  Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
                  …
                  … the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. …

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #60

                  @axtremus said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:

                  https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

                  … People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.78 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.
                  …
                  In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth. …
                  …
                  Recent polling shows that partisanship is now this single strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated.
                  …
                  … the rate of Republican vaccination against COVID-19 has flatlined at just 59%, according to the latest numbers from Kaiser. By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. …
                  Yep, it doubled up in those red counties to 70 per 100,000 people. It's easier to get infected if one is out living life, instead of cowering in the basement.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Copper
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #61

                    I have had 3 shots and I did not report any affiliation with a political party.

                    Where do they get this data?

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #62

                      They just assumed you were a lib after seeing you remove the Youngkin posts on your neighborhood group.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #63

                        I have a far fetched idea… Could there be any correlation between Trump performing better with older voters and COVID being far more lethal with older people? I mean vaccinated seniors are at greater risk than unvaccinated 30?year olds… Is there any chance that’s why so many counties that went trump had a higher death rate?

                        Gotta love statistics…

                        The Brad

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          I have had 3 shots and I did not report any affiliation with a political party.

                          Where do they get this data?

                          MikM Offline
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #64

                          @copper said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:

                          I have had 3 shots and I did not report any affiliation with a political party.

                          Where do they get this data?

                          Silly Copper. They make it up!

                          I'm with you. Most of the people I know who refuse the vaccination are to the far right of the party. Most anyone I know who is sensible has been vaccinated.

                          But I still don't favor mandates.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            @copper said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:

                            I have had 3 shots and I did not report any affiliation with a political party.

                            Where do they get this data?

                            Silly Copper. They make it up!

                            I'm with you. Most of the people I know who refuse the vaccination are to the far right of the party. Most anyone I know who is sensible has been vaccinated.

                            But I still don't favor mandates.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                            #65

                            @mik said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:

                            I'm with you. Most of the people I know who refuse the vaccination are to the far right of the party. Most anyone I know who is sensible has been vaccinated.

                            Of the people I know, I found that I could predict who refused the vaccine pretty accurately.

                            I think that what the British call bloody-mindedness was a more accurate predictor than simply politics.

                            I was only joking

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #66

                              Yep.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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