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Sometimes, I admire Cruz

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  • HoraceH Horace

    @xenon said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

    @horace said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

    Trump would have been challenged to a duel back in the day. 10 paces and boom, try to hit the big orange target.

    Instead, unaccountably, Cruz chose not to throw away either his life or his career. Certainly, most of us would have thrown our careers away at the very least in the face of a besmirchment of our honor like that. I think we all have stories of upending our lives over a childish insult. It’s what real honorable men do. High five, gents!

    It’s interesting that you frame Cruz’s choices as ignoring being cucked by Trump or throwing away his political career.

    I’m not even necessarily saying you’re wrong.

    I don't know that he ignored it. Perhaps he slapped Trump with a white glove behind closed doors. But I do know that TDS sufferers would have gleefully watched if the insult had resulted in Cruz throwing a tantrum or making any other choice that would have prevented him from being effective in his political career. But his reaction was not geared towards pleasing TDS sufferers. Now, the only drawback of his chosen responses is that he must live down sanctimony on the internet from TDS sufferers. I suspect he will survive.

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    @horace said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

    Perhaps he slapped Trump with a white glove behind closed doors.

    That's the first time I've heard it called that.

    I was only joking

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @klaus said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

      Thanks, I kind of got that part, but what left me a little puzzled was the "Damn son Liz brought the heat on you!" tweet that he reacted to.

      It’s more understandable if you put a comma after the word ‘son’.

      He’s referring to this tweet from Liz to Cruz.

      (Liz by the way is the daughter of former VP Dick Cheney)

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      @jon-nyc Thanks. So Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are presumably moderate Republicans (I assume Trump would call them RINO) and Ted Cruz is not (or sides with Trump?) and they sling mud at each other.

      The phrase "bring the heat" wasn't very familiar and I was confused because I thought it meant Cruz would be in heat 🙂

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      • KlausK Klaus

        @jon-nyc Thanks. So Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are presumably moderate Republicans (I assume Trump would call them RINO) and Ted Cruz is not (or sides with Trump?) and they sling mud at each other.

        The phrase "bring the heat" wasn't very familiar and I was confused because I thought it meant Cruz would be in heat 🙂

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        @klaus said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

        @jon-nyc Thanks. So Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are presumably moderate Republicans (I assume Trump would call them RINO) and Ted Cruz is not (or sides with Trump?) and they sling mud at each other.

        The phrase "bring the heat" wasn't very familiar and I was confused because I thought it meant Cruz would be in heat 🙂

        Bring the heat? Oh, that's just a verbal spat. "Bring it", might be up to fisticuffs. "Bring the heater" has more serious overtones, especially in Chicago.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • KlausK Klaus

          @jon-nyc Thanks. So Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are presumably moderate Republicans (I assume Trump would call them RINO) and Ted Cruz is not (or sides with Trump?) and they sling mud at each other.

          The phrase "bring the heat" wasn't very familiar and I was confused because I thought it meant Cruz would be in heat 🙂

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          @klaus said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

          So Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are presumably moderate Republicans

          Can’t speak to Kinzinger but I wouldn’t necessarily consider Liz Cheney moderate although she is to the right side of the aisle more so than a paleo - conservativeRepublican. Possibly a neo-con by pedigree on her father’s side but most definitely not a Trump republican by any stretch of the imagination.

          Elbows up!

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            Well, whatever she is, a Republican ain't it...

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-gop-votes-to-stop-recognizing-cheney-as-a-republican/ar-AAQJXhX?ocid=msedgntp

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for Cruz over the last 4 years.

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for Cruz over the last 4 years.

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                @lufins-dad said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for Cruz over the last 4 years.

                I haven't.

                I was only joking

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Well, whatever she is, a Republican ain't it...

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-gop-votes-to-stop-recognizing-cheney-as-a-republican/ar-AAQJXhX?ocid=msedgntp

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                  @jolly said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                  Well, whatever she is, a Republican ain't it...

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-gop-votes-to-stop-recognizing-cheney-as-a-republican/ar-AAQJXhX?ocid=msedgntp

                  That’s just a bold-face confession from the Wyoming gop that the party has become a Trumpist cult. She’s far to the right of people like MTJ that get full throated approval by these guys.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @jolly said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                    Well, whatever she is, a Republican ain't it...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-gop-votes-to-stop-recognizing-cheney-as-a-republican/ar-AAQJXhX?ocid=msedgntp

                    That’s just a bold-face confession from the Wyoming gop that the party has become a Trumpist cult. She’s far to the right of people like MTJ that get full throated approval by these guys.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                    @jolly said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                    Well, whatever she is, a Republican ain't it...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-gop-votes-to-stop-recognizing-cheney-as-a-republican/ar-AAQJXhX?ocid=msedgntp

                    That’s just a bold-face confession from the Wyoming gop that the party has become a Trumpist cult. She’s far to the right of people like MTJ that get full throated approval by these guys.

                    Yeah, it's got nothing to do with how conservative she is, this is all about her lack of support for Donald Trump.

                    She's a heretic, and we all know what happens to them.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @lufins-dad said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                      I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for Cruz over the last 4 years.

                      I haven't.

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                      @doctor-phibes said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                      @lufins-dad said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                      I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for Cruz over the last 4 years.

                      I haven't.

                      I understand. He was, after all, born in Calgary.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @jolly said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                        Well, whatever she is, a Republican ain't it...

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-gop-votes-to-stop-recognizing-cheney-as-a-republican/ar-AAQJXhX?ocid=msedgntp

                        That’s just a bold-face confession from the Wyoming gop that the party has become a Trumpist cult. She’s far to the right of people like MTJ that get full throated approval by these guys.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                        @jolly said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                        Well, whatever she is, a Republican ain't it...

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-gop-votes-to-stop-recognizing-cheney-as-a-republican/ar-AAQJXhX?ocid=msedgntp

                        That’s just a bold-face confession from the Wyoming gop that the party has become a Trumpist cult. She’s far to the right of people like MTJ that get full throated approval by these guys.

                        Yep, just a cult.

                        Bwhahahahahaha!

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Trump is the world's biggest loser while being the world's most dangerously effective cult leader. Thus sayeth the TDS-muddled mind.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            From what I have read, the main sin of Rep. Cheney is that she refused to bow down to the shrine of President Trump.

                            It seems to me that the RepublicAN party has really turned into a cult of personality for President Trump.

                            It is kind of analogy to what is seen in DPRK and the Kim family.

                            Saying anything against Premier Kim is in the mind of the followers not just saying something against him, but against the whole country, the way of life, and the ideals of everyone.

                            A republican can vote with President Trump 99% of the time, but that 1% means that you are really against him.

                            People mention TDS, and there is a awful lot of the that on the Democratic side, but it seems that the Republicans now have TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) in an equal or greater amount.

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                              I'm not personally familiar with anybody who deifies Trump, but I hear they are legion.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                From what I have read, the main sin of Rep. Cheney is that she refused to bow down to the shrine of President Trump.

                                It seems to me that the RepublicAN party has really turned into a cult of personality for President Trump.

                                It is kind of analogy to what is seen in DPRK and the Kim family.

                                Saying anything against Premier Kim is in the mind of the followers not just saying something against him, but against the whole country, the way of life, and the ideals of everyone.

                                A republican can vote with President Trump 99% of the time, but that 1% means that you are really against him.

                                People mention TDS, and there is a awful lot of the that on the Democratic side, but it seems that the Republicans now have TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) in an equal or greater amount.

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                                @taiwan_girl said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                                From what I have read, the main sin of Rep. Cheney is that she refused to bow down to the shrine of President Trump.

                                It seems to me that the RepublicAN party has really turned into a cult of personality for President Trump.

                                It is kind of analogy to what is seen in DPRK and the Kim family.

                                Saying anything against Premier Kim is in the mind of the followers not just saying something against him, but against the whole country, the way of life, and the ideals of everyone.

                                A republican can vote with President Trump 99% of the time, but that 1% means that you are really against him.

                                People mention TDS, and there is a awful lot of the that on the Democratic side, but it seems that the Republicans now have TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) in an equal or greater amount.

                                That's the problem...You read, but you don't understand. Cheney has made an ass out of herself within the party. The House GOP leadership gave her the right to dissent and condoned it. They even let her do her mavericky bit on camera and in interviews. But when the woman would not shut her mouth, when the woman defied House leadership, when the woman decided she would go against the wishes of the vast majority of the people she represents, when the woman made a firm decision to help the opposition party help destroy parts of the party she represents, leadership had no choice but to take away her committee assignments (which means she loses a crapload of influence for her home state) and primary her.

                                Wyoming only has one Congressman. She decided she would rather play to her interests in Washington rather than represent the interests of the people she is supposed to. When she loses her seat, she won't go back "home" to Wyoming. She'll continue to stay in the Washington era and will be a CNN or PMSNBC Darling, until her useful time is over or until a Dem administration appoints her to some token high profile job with no real power in a spirit of "bipartisanship" .

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Sometimes, I admire Cruz:

                                  From what I have read, the main sin of Rep. Cheney is that she refused to bow down to the shrine of President Trump.

                                  It seems to me that the RepublicAN party has really turned into a cult of personality for President Trump.

                                  It is kind of analogy to what is seen in DPRK and the Kim family.

                                  Saying anything against Premier Kim is in the mind of the followers not just saying something against him, but against the whole country, the way of life, and the ideals of everyone.

                                  A republican can vote with President Trump 99% of the time, but that 1% means that you are really against him.

                                  People mention TDS, and there is a awful lot of the that on the Democratic side, but it seems that the Republicans now have TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome) in an equal or greater amount.

                                  That's the problem...You read, but you don't understand. Cheney has made an ass out of herself within the party. The House GOP leadership gave her the right to dissent and condoned it. They even let her do her mavericky bit on camera and in interviews. But when the woman would not shut her mouth, when the woman defied House leadership, when the woman decided she would go against the wishes of the vast majority of the people she represents, when the woman made a firm decision to help the opposition party help destroy parts of the party she represents, leadership had no choice but to take away her committee assignments (which means she loses a crapload of influence for her home state) and primary her.

                                  Wyoming only has one Congressman. She decided she would rather play to her interests in Washington rather than represent the interests of the people she is supposed to. When she loses her seat, she won't go back "home" to Wyoming. She'll continue to stay in the Washington era and will be a CNN or PMSNBC Darling, until her useful time is over or until a Dem administration appoints her to some token high profile job with no real power in a spirit of "bipartisanship" .

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                                  @jolly I think then that the problem is with the Republican leadership, not Rep. Cheney.

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                                    The leadership recognizes they don't want to piss off a large section of their party over nothing.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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