The New Car Market
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wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 14:26 last edited by
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 15:14 last edited by
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
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@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 15:21 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
Don't look now, but Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Mercedes, BMW, Nissan and who else I don't recall, build cars in the U.S.
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@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 15:38 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
I think that was true some years ago, but American car makers have improved. Are they on par with Honda and Toyota? Not quite but much closer than they used to be.
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@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
Don't look now, but Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Mercedes, BMW, Nissan and who else I don't recall, build cars in the U.S.
wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 18:59 last edited by@jolly said in The New Car Market:
@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
Don't look now, but Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Mercedes, BMW, Nissan and who else I don't recall, build cars in the U.S.
And not a single UAW employee at the Honda, Toyota, or Hyundai factories. Interestingly, the Mercedes factory in Alabama is the only Mercedes factory that isn't unionized.
I've worked in a Japanese factory in Pittsburgh alongside former members of the United Steel Workers. Every single crew had at least 1 Japanese crew leader (if not 2-3), and they made the American workers look like crap. It was pitiful.
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@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
I think that was true some years ago, but American car makers have improved. Are they on par with Honda and Toyota? Not quite but much closer than they used to be.
wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 19:07 last edited by@mik said in The New Car Market:
@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
I think that was true some years ago, but American car makers have improved. Are they on par with Honda and Toyota? Not quite but much closer than they used to be.
Had a 2000 Ford Taurus. Nice car, drove like a muscle car. Hit 50K miles and the electrical system died. Completely. Would have cost more than the car was worth to fix.
Had a 2008 Dodge Grand Caravan. It had an evap code that was never resolved in 6 years. The evap system was smoked, double checked, triple checked, had various seals and parts replaced, and the code never went away. The damn thing also went through tie rods like I went through cigarettes... Worst car I ever had.
Have a 2015 GMC Terrain. I have another evap code that no one can solve. I've already had to replace the transmission and numerous other pain in the ass repairs.
Had a 1998 Toyota Tecel for 300,000 miles. Never had a frigging problem.
Have a 2020 Honda Pilot. It has driven like a dream with 12K miles on it already.
I am not buying an American car again unless it is a muscle car or a truck.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2021, 20:44 last edited by
@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@mik said in The New Car Market:
@lufins-dad said in The New Car Market:
@jolly said in The New Car Market:
Needs two things...
- A temporary waiver on some emissions categories, so that cars and trucks could be made with less chips.
- An automaker willing to step up and make a basic car in the U.S., without many bells and whistles, that could sell for less than $20K. Ideally, for around $18K.
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Not going to happen
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Why do you keep believing in American manufacturing? There area very few American manufacturers that build a quality product, but in general? Sorry… The more unionized the factory, the lower the quality.
I think that was true some years ago, but American car makers have improved. Are they on par with Honda and Toyota? Not quite but much closer than they used to be.
Had a 2000 Ford Taurus. Nice car, drove like a muscle car. Hit 50K miles and the electrical system died. Completely. Would have cost more than the car was worth to fix.
Had a 2008 Dodge Grand Caravan. It had an evap code that was never resolved in 6 years. The evap system was smoked, double checked, triple checked, had various seals and parts replaced, and the code never went away. The damn thing also went through tie rods like I went through cigarettes... Worst car I ever had.
Have a 2015 GMC Terrain. I have another evap code that no one can solve. I've already had to replace the transmission and numerous other pain in the ass repairs.
Had a 1998 Toyota Tecel for 300,000 miles. Never had a frigging problem.
Have a 2020 Honda Pilot. It has driven like a dream with 12K miles on it already.
I am not buying an American car again unless it is a muscle car or a truck.
I've had Lincoln town cars continuously since 1976. Some of then would have 300,000 miles on them by the time I sold them. Currently I have a 2011 (last year it was made) that has 350,000 plus miles on it other than tires and oil changes I've never had to spend a penny on any of them, and since the mid 90s have gotten around 27 mpg on the highway.