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The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread

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  • J jon-nyc
    7 Nov 2021, 01:59

    @klaus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

    that there is no (known) way of manipulation.

    Of course there is, just get a certain percentage of the miners to act in tandem....

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    Klaus
    wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 10:51 last edited by
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    @jon-nyc said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

    @klaus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

    that there is no (known) way of manipulation.

    Of course there is, just get a certain percentage of the miners to act in tandem....

    Yes, the 51% attack. But that would be pretty difficult to pull off, even for a government. And even then, it's somewhat limited what one can do even when one controls the 51%. For instance, you still couldn't just steal other people's money.

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      7 Nov 2021, 10:51

      @jon-nyc said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

      @klaus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

      that there is no (known) way of manipulation.

      Of course there is, just get a certain percentage of the miners to act in tandem....

      Yes, the 51% attack. But that would be pretty difficult to pull off, even for a government. And even then, it's somewhat limited what one can do even when one controls the 51%. For instance, you still couldn't just steal other people's money.

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      Klaus
      wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 20:00 last edited by
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      @klaus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

      @jon-nyc said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

      @klaus said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

      that there is no (known) way of manipulation.

      Of course there is, just get a certain percentage of the miners to act in tandem....

      Yes, the 51% attack. But that would be pretty difficult to pull off, even for a government. And even then, it's somewhat limited what one can do even when one controls the 51%. For instance, you still couldn't just steal other people's money.

      Also, by the way, I don't know if you've heard of "proof of stake" as an alternative to "proof of work", which is going to be deployed in a couple of crypto currencies soon - not only does it make the environmentally unfriendly "mining" unnecessary, it also makes 51% attacks much less likely because in that system you don't need 51% of the computing power but 51% of the currency - even if you'd manage to get that, you'd only shoot yourself in the foot if you'd use that position to manipulate, and hence devalue, the currency. It's quite interesting.

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        Larry
        wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 22:59 last edited by
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        I cant help but laugh..... some of the very people who have laughed at me for buying gold - not gold certificates, not gold stock, etc.. but real gold - and told me that I was crazy for basing my view of gold being a hedge against the collapse of currency.....

        Are now telling us how wise they are for investing in a risky unproven digital currency because "it will be unaffected by currency collapses"....,

        BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 23:16 last edited by
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          I know you’re not talking about me since I’m not a crypto bug, but it’s worth pointing out that I didn’t laugh at you for buying gold, I laughed at you for telling people to sell stocks and buy gold within 48 hrs of this century’s low water mark of the S&P.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • J jon-nyc
            7 Nov 2021, 23:16

            I know you’re not talking about me since I’m not a crypto bug, but it’s worth pointing out that I didn’t laugh at you for buying gold, I laughed at you for telling people to sell stocks and buy gold within 48 hrs of this century’s low water mark of the S&P.

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            Larry
            wrote on 7 Nov 2021, 23:23 last edited by Larry 11 Jul 2021, 23:24
            #34

            @jon-nyc said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

            I know you’re not talking about me since I’m not a crypto bug, but it’s worth pointing out that I didn’t laugh at you for buying gold, I laughed at you for telling people to sell stocks and buy gold within 48 hrs of this century’s low water mark of the S&P.

            No, I wasn't talking about you. But my advise regarding getting out of the stock market wasn't tied to any certain time frame. I just view the stock market as being barely a full notch above bitcoin as far as investment stability. I don't think anyone should put their money into other people's hands, to "buy things that they might possibly wake up one morning and find that it shit canned overnight...

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              Horace
              wrote on 8 Nov 2021, 00:29 last edited by Horace 11 Aug 2021, 00:29
              #35

              I'd probably have some money invested in bitcoin if my brokerage transacted it. But they don't, and I'm not motivated enough to open a robinhood account.

              Education is extremely important.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 8 Nov 2021, 18:08 last edited by
                #36

                Woohoo! I got a $5.00 Bitcoin balance yesterday for signing up. It’s already up to $5.36!

                The Brad

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 8 Nov 2021, 18:25 last edited by
                  #37

                  Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

                  The Brad

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                  • L LuFins Dad
                    8 Nov 2021, 18:25

                    Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

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                    mark
                    wrote on 8 Nov 2021, 19:32 last edited by
                    #38

                    @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                    Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

                    What made you select Solana?

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                    • M mark
                      8 Nov 2021, 19:32

                      @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                      Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

                      What made you select Solana?

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 8 Nov 2021, 20:14 last edited by
                      #39

                      @mark said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                      @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                      Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

                      What made you select Solana?

                      It’s probably Ethereum’s biggest competitor and can handle more transactions than Ethereum. It’s been listed in many of the top 10 lists and has shown pretty consistent growth. This is going to be a trial run for me, so I wanted a currency that would have a little bit of volatility but should at least maintain a pretty safe return. I actually got it somewhat on the cheap today, but it’s still dropped since then, lol. Ethereum is having a good day!

                      The Brad

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 8 Nov 2021, 20:17 last edited by Klaus 11 Aug 2021, 20:19
                        #40

                        How about we deploy a TNCR smart contract on a blockchain, such that we can all participate?

                        The contract can involve external data (like: what is the weather on Feb 7, 2023, what is the price of AAPL two weeks after a particular sports event happened), randomness, money, ... . Could be some sort of lottery. We could play with toy money, just for fun, and for education. Or we could see whether people put their money where their mouth is by setting up bets on election results etc. 🙂

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 8 Nov 2021, 20:24 last edited by
                          #41

                          Reading this thread makes me understand how my grandparents felt when they tried to program the VCR.

                          I was only joking

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 00:20 last edited by
                            #42

                            Just reached my first $1.00… 1% in 6 hours….

                            The Brad

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                            • D Doctor Phibes
                              8 Nov 2021, 20:24

                              Reading this thread makes me understand how my grandparents felt when they tried to program the VCR.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 00:35 last edited by
                              #43

                              @doctor-phibes said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                              Reading this thread makes me understand how my grandparents felt when they tried to program the VCR.

                              Exactly.

                              What the actual hell are you guys talking about?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • G George K
                                9 Nov 2021, 00:35

                                @doctor-phibes said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                Reading this thread makes me understand how my grandparents felt when they tried to program the VCR.

                                Exactly.

                                What the actual hell are you guys talking about?

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 00:51 last edited by
                                #44

                                @george-k said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                @doctor-phibes said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                Reading this thread makes me understand how my grandparents felt when they tried to program the VCR.

                                Exactly.

                                What the actual hell are you guys talking about?

                                I’m not totally convinced they know, either

                                I was only joking

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                                • L LuFins Dad
                                  9 Nov 2021, 00:20

                                  Just reached my first $1.00… 1% in 6 hours….

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 01:22 last edited by
                                  #45

                                  @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                  Just reached my first $1.00… 1% in 6 hours

                                  That's 4% per day.

                                  28% per week

                                  Nice

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                                  • L LuFins Dad
                                    8 Nov 2021, 20:14

                                    @mark said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                    @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                    Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

                                    What made you select Solana?

                                    It’s probably Ethereum’s biggest competitor and can handle more transactions than Ethereum. It’s been listed in many of the top 10 lists and has shown pretty consistent growth. This is going to be a trial run for me, so I wanted a currency that would have a little bit of volatility but should at least maintain a pretty safe return. I actually got it somewhat on the cheap today, but it’s still dropped since then, lol. Ethereum is having a good day!

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                                    mark
                                    wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 03:54 last edited by
                                    #46

                                    @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                    @mark said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                    @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                    Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

                                    What made you select Solana?

                                    It’s probably Ethereum’s biggest competitor and can handle more transactions than Ethereum. It’s been listed in many of the top 10 lists and has shown pretty consistent growth. This is going to be a trial run for me, so I wanted a currency that would have a little bit of volatility but should at least maintain a pretty safe return. I actually got it somewhat on the cheap today, but it’s still dropped since then, lol. Ethereum is having a good day!

                                    Just bought a little Solana. I am limiting my purchases by not linking any payment methods that permit large transactions. We will see where these little gambles go for a while.

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                                    • D Doctor Phibes
                                      9 Nov 2021, 00:51

                                      @george-k said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                      @doctor-phibes said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                      Reading this thread makes me understand how my grandparents felt when they tried to program the VCR.

                                      Exactly.

                                      What the actual hell are you guys talking about?

                                      I’m not totally convinced they know, either

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 04:01 last edited by
                                      #47

                                      @doctor-phibes said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                      @george-k said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                      @doctor-phibes said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                      Reading this thread makes me understand how my grandparents felt when they tried to program the VCR.

                                      Exactly.

                                      What the actual hell are you guys talking about?

                                      I’m not totally convinced they know, either

                                      My theory is that "bitcoin" and "cryptocurrency" is, at the end of the day, just Chinese MMO gold farming.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • M mark
                                        9 Nov 2021, 03:54

                                        @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                        @mark said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                        @lufins-dad said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                                        Okay, I put the money I had set aside for one of Karla’s Christmas Gifts on Solana. Let’s see if she is getting new EarPods, a diamond necklace, or a lovely card for Christmas…

                                        What made you select Solana?

                                        It’s probably Ethereum’s biggest competitor and can handle more transactions than Ethereum. It’s been listed in many of the top 10 lists and has shown pretty consistent growth. This is going to be a trial run for me, so I wanted a currency that would have a little bit of volatility but should at least maintain a pretty safe return. I actually got it somewhat on the cheap today, but it’s still dropped since then, lol. Ethereum is having a good day!

                                        Just bought a little Solana. I am limiting my purchases by not linking any payment methods that permit large transactions. We will see where these little gambles go for a while.

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 04:16 last edited by
                                        #48

                                        @mark I have mine set that I have to authorize every transaction. This feels like the Wild West or the very first days of the Dow Jones…

                                        The Brad

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                                          Klaus
                                          wrote on 9 Nov 2021, 09:40 last edited by Klaus 11 Sept 2021, 10:35
                                          #49

                                          Now that I've learned more about the whole thing and have programmed a few smart contracts myself, I've also bought some Ethereum. This whole distributed finance thing looks really cool, I must say. Time to buy some non-fungible tokens!

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