Foundation
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wrote on 10 Oct 2021, 17:10 last edited by
Finished the 4th episode yesterday.
Not bad, but...
To paraphrase Time Magazine's review of Mike Nichols' version of "Catch-22"...
"Apple TV's 'Foundation' is not a bad movie. Maybe some day they'll make a movie of Isaac Asimov's 'Foundation.'"
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wrote on 10 Oct 2021, 18:07 last edited by
I watched the first episode yesterday.
Got bored after around 15min and turned it off.
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wrote on 22 Oct 2021, 22:33 last edited by George K
Episode 6...
Yeah, it was an interesting story.
But, like so much of the series, it has little to do with Asimov's vision of "The Foundation" other than the faithfulness to the idea of Hari Seldon's goal of saving humanity.
If you've never read the books, it would be an above-average sci-fi tale. Perhaps even enjoyable.
But, I'm disappointed. Too many irrelevant shoot-em-ups. Too many characters that were not in the books.
I'll keep watching, but every episode verifies the idea that "Foundation" can never, ever, be made into a movie or a series. It's too dense, too complex, and there are too many interwoven stories.
I think "Dune" would be easier, LOL.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 13:52 last edited by
What.
A.
Mess.It's almost as though the writers just make shit up every day.
"Hey! Let's do this!"
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 14:33 last edited by
As much as I loved the books, I can't work up any enthusiasm to even watch the series.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 19:00 last edited by
@mik said in Foundation:
As much as I loved the books, I can't work up any enthusiasm to even watch the series.
Yeah, George kinda killed it for me. I got 20 minutes into the first episode and haven't been back.
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@mik said in Foundation:
As much as I loved the books, I can't work up any enthusiasm to even watch the series.
Yeah, George kinda killed it for me. I got 20 minutes into the first episode and haven't been back.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 19:40 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Foundation:
I got 20 minutes into the first episode and haven't been back.
Well, here's what's similar between the books and the TV series.
- Some of the characters are the same:
- Cleon
- Hari
- Salvor (but in the show Salvor is a black woman)
- Demarzel
- It's set in the far future
- It has to do with predicting the future
- Trantor, Terminus...other planets
- Hari dies (though differently than in the book)
Umm, that's about it.
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@aqua-letifer said in Foundation:
I got 20 minutes into the first episode and haven't been back.
Well, here's what's similar between the books and the TV series.
- Some of the characters are the same:
- Cleon
- Hari
- Salvor (but in the show Salvor is a black woman)
- Demarzel
- It's set in the far future
- It has to do with predicting the future
- Trantor, Terminus...other planets
- Hari dies (though differently than in the book)
Umm, that's about it.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 19:51 last edited by@george-k said in Foundation:
Demarzel
Played by a woman, I believe?. At the risk of spoilers, in the books he's actually somebody else in disguise.
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@george-k said in Foundation:
Demarzel
Played by a woman, I believe?. At the risk of spoilers, in the books he's actually somebody else in disguise.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 20:21 last edited by
@george-k said in Foundation:
Yup.
Well, I guess she looks a little androgynous...or is that androidinous?
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wrote on 6 Nov 2021, 00:03 last edited by
Since I have an Apple TV+ (part of a package) and it's only an hour, so I don't feel too guilty continuing watching it.
So, with only a few episodes left for this season, I have this to say.
What. A. Mess.
"Hey let's take the idea of someone who can 'predict' (but not really predict) the future and make a space show with TONS of cool CGI! And while we're at it, let's totally change characters' genders, introduce new characters not in the books too! And, as long as we're at it, let's introduce storylines that are totally not in the books. because fanbois will watch it whatever crap we throw at them! But the settings, special effects and costumes are way cool!
"Oh, and remember when Hair died in the early episodes? Yeah, that didn't happen because Jared Harris is so FUCKING cool, we had to resurrect him in the second half of the season."
The Expanse's final season starts in about a month...
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wrote on 12 Nov 2021, 15:05 last edited by
Finally, an episode that is not a mess.
In its penultimate episode, "Foundation" seems to bring together a bunch of storylines into a coherent tale. Actually not a bad episode, other than the hackneyed acting by some, cliches, and deus-ex-machina surprises.
Oh, and technobabble; can't forget technobabble.
It would have been a better series if they had not raised the expectations so FREAKING high because, well, "Foundation."
Hey, I'm retired, and it's not a bad way to spend an hour watching this on my computer while reading the news, etc.
Which raises an interesting point. If you can "watch" a TV show, or movie, while doing something else, how good/compelling is it, after all?
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wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 22:58 last edited by
It's really sad.
If I hadn't read most of Asimov's Foundation books, I would find this pretty engaging.
Good premise, engaging (mostly) characters, and great production values.
But...
Amazon's Jack Ryan is not Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan Maybe some day they'll make a movie of Joseph Heller's 'Catch-22'.Take it for what it is, with no expectations.
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It's really sad.
If I hadn't read most of Asimov's Foundation books, I would find this pretty engaging.
Good premise, engaging (mostly) characters, and great production values.
But...
Amazon's Jack Ryan is not Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan Maybe some day they'll make a movie of Joseph Heller's 'Catch-22'.Take it for what it is, with no expectations.
wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 23:00 last edited by@george-k said in Foundation:
It's really sad.
If I hadn't read most of Asimov's Foundation books, I would find this pretty engaging.
Good premise, engaging (mostly) characters, and great production values.
But...
Amazon's Jack Ryan is not Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan Maybe some day they'll make a movie of Joseph Heller's 'Catch-22'.Take it for what it is, with no expectations.
Can't do that. I fully believe that it's ridiculous to judge a TV show based on a movie, but I can't help it.
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@george-k said in Foundation:
It's really sad.
If I hadn't read most of Asimov's Foundation books, I would find this pretty engaging.
Good premise, engaging (mostly) characters, and great production values.
But...
Amazon's Jack Ryan is not Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan Maybe some day they'll make a movie of Joseph Heller's 'Catch-22'.Take it for what it is, with no expectations.
Can't do that. I fully believe that it's ridiculous to judge a TV show based on a movie, but I can't help it.
wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 23:05 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Foundation:
it's ridiculous to judge a TV show based on a movie,
Yeah, but Foundation, Jack Ryan and Catch-22 are not based on movies.
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@aqua-letifer said in Foundation:
it's ridiculous to judge a TV show based on a movie,
Yeah, but Foundation, Jack Ryan and Catch-22 are not based on movies.
wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 23:42 last edited by@george-k said in Foundation:
@aqua-letifer said in Foundation:
it's ridiculous to judge a TV show based on a movie,
Yeah, but Foundation, Jack Ryan and Catch-22 are not based on movies.
Based on a book*.
Multi-tasking brain fart.
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@aqua-letifer said in Foundation:
it's ridiculous to judge a TV show based on a movie,
Yeah, but Foundation, Jack Ryan and Catch-22 are not based on movies.
wrote on 19 Nov 2021, 23:47 last edited by@george-k said in Foundation:
Catch-22 are not based on movies.
One can say that the version of "Catch-22" on HULU was somewhat based on the Mike Nichols movie. In fact, I thought it was better, but, regardless, I'll accept your brain-fart.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2022, 21:55 last edited by
Season 2 is coming "soon."
One of the most anticipated Apple Originals, Foundation, is set for a comeback soon – Apple shared its new cast and first look at this spatial saga based on Isaac Asimov’s books.
Apple TV+ Foundation is an epic saga from storyteller David S. Goyer and produced for Apple by Skydance Television. In the first image shared of the second season, you can see Demerzel, Harry Seldon, and the emperor together. As of now, it’s unclear whether this is a flashback or if the producers of the show are planning for an even more different path from the books.
Foundation chronicles the stories of four crucial individuals transcending space and time as they overcome deadly crises, shifting loyalties and complicated relationships that will ultimately determine the fate of humanity.
Apple also shared new stars joining the cast of Foundation for season two:
Isabella Laughland as Brother Constant, a cheerfully confident claric whose job is to evangelize the Church of the Galactic Spirit across the Outer Reach. Constant is a true believer, whose courage and passion make her hard not to love.
Kulvinder Ghir as Poly Verisof, High Claric of the Church of the Galactic Spirit. Whip-smart and sardonic, he’s also a terrible drunk — intelligent enough to see the path he’s on, but too cynical to change.
Sandra Yi Sencindiver as Enjoiner Rue, the beautiful, politically savvy consigliere to Queen Sareth. A former courtesan to Cleon the 16th, Rue parlayed her status to become a royal counsellor.
Ella-Rae Smith as Queen Sareth of Cloud Dominion. Used to being underestimated, Sareth employs it to her advantage, charming her way into the Imperial Palace with biting wit, all while on a secret quest for revenge.
Dimitri Leonidas as Hober Mallow, a master trader with a sarcastic personality and questionable morals, who is summoned against his will to serve a higher, selfless cause.
Ben Daniels as Bel Roise, the last great general of the Superliminal Fleet and would-be conqueror of the Foundation. Bel is noble to a fault, but his fealty to the Galactic Empire is waning.
Holt McCallany as Warden Jaegger Fount, the current Warden of Terminus and guardian of its citizens against external threats.
Mikael Persbrandt as The Warlord of Kalgan, a monster of a man, coiled with muscle and possessing powerful psychic abilities, and fueled by hate in his quest to take over the galaxy.
Rachel House as Tellem Bond, mysterious leader of the Mentallics.
Nimrat Kaur as Yanna Seldon.
As of now, Apple says that season 2 of Foundation is “coming soon,” even though I don’t think we’ll see a new episode until later this fall."Mike Nichols' 'Catch-22' is not a bad movie. Maybe someday, they'll make a movie of Joseph Heller's 'Catch-22'"
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wrote on 1 Feb 2022, 22:26 last edited by
I haven't even watched any of S1 yet. It's weird because I had always hoped they would put it onscreen. The reviews I've read have all been bad.
