Handshake: The next partisan issue?

[George K]

@axtremus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Let’s do high fives instead.

Let's do "Jazzy Hands" too!

[Horace]

The degree of one’s disgust reaction is known to be genetically based. It’s one of our primary visceral reactions. Those with high disgust reactions are likely to be left leaning. I think there is some actual science behind this. I’ve always thought that the visceral aspect of TDS was in part based on this.

[Larry]

@horace said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

The degree of one’s disgust reaction is known to be genetically based. It’s one of our primary visceral reactions. Those with high disgust reactions are likely to be left leaning. I think there is some actual science behind this. I’ve always thought that the visceral aspect of TDS was in part based on this.

Also, let's remember that most leftists live in their mommy's basement, aren't sure what their genitals are for, so they've adjusted to never touching another human.

[jon-nyc]

@horace said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Those with high disgust reactions are likely to be left leaning.

Right leaning actually.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@horace said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Those with high disgust reactions are likely to be left leaning.

Right leaning actually.

Oh, yeah. Now that you mention it, that's true.

Goes to the idea that mainstream leftism, which most American adults have at this point lived their lives through, is the new "conservatism", in that it is a long established cultural status quo, within which people find comfortable safety, and outside of which people find threat and disgust.

[jon-nyc]

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

With race becoming religion, and with how race is fundamental to leftism, this may be in the process of a cultural reversal, within the context of our current political labels.

[Larry]

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

Hsidt's "specialty" is "the psychology of morality and moral emotions".

In other words, he's a moron.

[Horace]

Put Haidt's and McWhorter's ideas together, and you have a decent academic foundation for most of what I shoot from the hip about here on TNCR.

[Copper]

@horace said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

With race becoming religion

The various pet races will eventually learn to hate the left

Nobody really wants to be a pet

[Klaus]

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

So you are saying it all comes down to tribalism, which roughly correlates to distance from the "middle"?

I'm not sure. The view of other people as a source of illness etc. and especially the rejection of everything that is as engrained into Western culture as the handshake seems to be more of a "woke" left-wing thing.

[Klaus]

@larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

Hsidt's "specialty" is "the psychology of morality and moral emotions".

In other words, he's a moron.

Have you ever considered the possibility that people who are experts in areas you know nothing about are not necessarily morons?

[jon-nyc]

@klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

So you are saying it all comes down to tribalism, which roughly correlates to distance from the "middle"?

I'm not sure. The view of other people as a source of illness etc. and especially the rejection of everything that is as engrained into Western culture as the handshake seems to be more of a "woke" left-wing thing.

This wasn’t a comment on the OP, rather an offshoot of a side comment that Horace made.

[Horace]

@klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

So you are saying it all comes down to tribalism, which roughly correlates to distance from the "middle"?

I'm not sure. The view of other people as a source of illness etc. and especially the rejection of everything that is as engrained into Western culture as the handshake seems to be more of a "woke" left-wing thing.

My comment was to tie political leaning to a part of one's psychology. The disgust reaction is something humans are known to vary on, and not by choice. The intensity of that reaction has been studied for its correlation with political leaning. I misremembered what the original findings were - I said it was correlated with left, while in fact it had been correlated with right - which prompted jon to correct me. Then I explained how in our current political environment, certain characteristics of the mainstream left should be appealing to those with high disgust reactions. I suspect this is one of them.

I sure did get a clear picture during COVID that people differ substantially in how scared they are of getting sick. I suspect that's another piece of psychology that might have a political valence.

The five factor model of personality has also received plenty of attention regarding how it relates to political leaning. Openness, Conscientiousness, etc. I'll never forget the Ezra Klein podcast interview with a psychologist who studied it, where they talked about all the best ways in which the liberal mind differs, while not mentioning any of the bad ones.

[Doctor Phibes]

Everybody's a psychologist nowadays, and weirdly enough all the psychology we read that isn't clearly nonsense seems to reinforce what we already knew to be true.

[Horace]

@doctor-phibes said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Everybody's a psychologist nowadays, and weirdly enough all the psychology we read that isn't clearly nonsense seems to reinforce what we already knew to be true.

That's called confirmation bias. You should read up on it, it's fascinating. Maybe jon has some recommended reading.

[jon-nyc]

@horace said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Maybe jon has some recommended reading.

I do

[Larry]

@klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

Hsidt's "specialty" is "the psychology of morality and moral emotions".

In other words, he's a moron.

Have you ever considered the possibility that people who are experts in areas you know nothing about are not necessarily morons?

Have you ever considered the possibility that I might know more about this area than you think?

[jon-nyc]

Not for one second.

[Doctor Phibes]

@larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

@jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

Hsidt's "specialty" is "the psychology of morality and moral emotions".

In other words, he's a moron.

Have you ever considered the possibility that people who are experts in areas you know nothing about are not necessarily morons?

Have you ever considered the possibility that I might know more about this area than you think?

So you're a moron too?