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So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    I don’t think manufacturing costs are the major driver of drug costs.

    It’s the fact that the drug companies charge whatever the political system will bear.

    PPE, other supplies, sure.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @Mik said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

      I rather doubt it is terribly labor intensive. More capital equipment.

      Chemist friend of mine makes generic Tylenol as a way to test and calibrate her equipment.

      She also knows extremely effective ways to get rid of bodies.

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      @Aqua-Letifer said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

      @Mik said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

      I rather doubt it is terribly labor intensive. More capital equipment.

      Chemist friend of mine makes generic Tylenol as a way to test and calibrate her equipment.

      She also knows extremely effective ways to get rid of bodies.

      Bet you I know more.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        I don’t think manufacturing costs are the major driver of drug costs.

        It’s the fact that the drug companies charge whatever the political system will bear.

        PPE, other supplies, sure.

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        Loki
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        @jon-nyc said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

        I don’t think manufacturing costs are the major driver of drug costs.

        It’s the fact that the drug companies charge whatever the political system will bear.

        PPE, other supplies, sure.

        Over the last five years if you believed in the Pharma stock sector you would have been spanked very hard.

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          Speaking of stuff going bad...

          We got a lot of FEMA stuff, post-Katrina. It sat in the warehouse, until A) most of the water containers broke one night, because the plastic got old and brittle, B) the MREs expired...a whole warehouse wall of them, six dumpsters full, and C) we finally got tired of looking at stuff and it melted away, a decade later, and D)all of the IV solutions expired, etc.

          The problem with stockpiles, is you have to keep piling.

          Maybe something like what the Mormons do with food will work. Mormons keep one year's worth of food on hand at all times. They do this by rotating in much of the stock on a quarterly or semi-annual basis.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            The cost to manufacture a pill is a nickel.

            The cost to design, develop, test and certify might be billions.

            That leaves a lot of room for creative pricing.

            Especially if you don't care about intellectual property rights.

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              @jon-nyc said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

              I don’t think manufacturing costs are the major driver of drug costs.

              It’s the fact that the drug companies charge whatever the political system will bear.

              PPE, other supplies, sure.

              Over the last five years if you believed in the Pharma stock sector you would have been spanked very hard.

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              @Loki said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

              Over the last five years if you believed in the Pharma stock sector you would have been spanked very hard.

              True, however irrelevant to my point.

              But you got me thinking, what does (Pharma - Valeant) look like over the last 5 years?

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Speaking of stuff going bad...

                We got a lot of FEMA stuff, post-Katrina. It sat in the warehouse, until A) most of the water containers broke one night, because the plastic got old and brittle, B) the MREs expired...a whole warehouse wall of them, six dumpsters full, and C) we finally got tired of looking at stuff and it melted away, a decade later, and D)all of the IV solutions expired, etc.

                The problem with stockpiles, is you have to keep piling.

                Maybe something like what the Mormons do with food will work. Mormons keep one year's worth of food on hand at all times. They do this by rotating in much of the stock on a quarterly or semi-annual basis.

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                @Jolly said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

                Maybe something like what the Mormons do with food will work. Mormons keep one year's worth of food on hand at all times. They do this by rotating in much of the stock on a quarterly or semi-annual basis.

                Queueing stock, first in, first out. That's the way to go.

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                  Larry
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                  2019:

                  Left: BIG PHARMA - BAD!!!

                  2020:

                  Left: BIG PHARMA - GOOD!!!

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                  • LarryL Larry

                    2019:

                    Left: BIG PHARMA - BAD!!!

                    2020:

                    Left: BIG PHARMA - GOOD!!!

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                    @Larry said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

                    2019:

                    Left: BIG PHARMA - BAD!!!

                    2020:

                    Left: BIG PHARMA - GOOD!!!

                    Election politics. Find the issues that you can motivate the base. Pharma ain’t no saint but it is far from the worst of our issues. Here’s the key point, it’s only 10% of total healthcare costs. If all drugs were 100% free it wouldn’t solve the problem.

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                      @Larry said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

                      2019:

                      Left: BIG PHARMA - BAD!!!

                      2020:

                      Left: BIG PHARMA - GOOD!!!

                      Election politics. Find the issues that you can motivate the base. Pharma ain’t no saint but it is far from the worst of our issues. Here’s the key point, it’s only 10% of total healthcare costs. If all drugs were 100% free it wouldn’t solve the problem.

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                      @Loki said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

                      it is far from the worst of our issues.

                      The fewer expensive medications you take, the easier it is for you to say that.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Loki said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

                        it is far from the worst of our issues.

                        The fewer expensive medications you take, the easier it is for you to say that.

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                        @Aqua-Letifer said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

                        @Loki said in So what happens when they move pharmaceutical manufacturing back to the US?:

                        it is far from the worst of our issues.

                        The fewer expensive medications you take, the easier it is for you to say that.

                        There used to be a time when companies picked up the majority of healthcare costs. Many reasons for that change. I suppose now it is the out of pocket cap right that people can hit, and which plan a person picks with respect to how long it takes to hit that cap? You can pay more or less monthly right for a different cap? Is your point that people are hitting the cap sooner because of drug price increases?

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