What the HELL is going on in Oz?
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@jolly said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
Mr. Biden, take notice and learn.
We haven't seen anything like this in the US, afaik.
Apparently this is only in Melbourne, I've not seen similar stuff elsewhere.
@george-k said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
I've not seen similar stuff elsewhere.
These might be similar, but it looks like a smaller scale
This sort of thing could help Mr. Biden's poll numbers
Vaccine Passports Roll Out, and So Do Unruly Anti-Vaccine Protests
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/world/canada/vaccine-passports-protests.htmlAs vaccine mandates spread, protests follow — some spurred by nurses
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/vaccine-mandates-spread-protests-follow-spurred-nurses-rcna1654An anti-vaccine rally at Los Angeles City Hall turned violent Saturday, with one person stabbed
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-14/anti-vaxers-face-off-with-counter-demonstrators-in-front-of-city-hall -
There are at least 3 groups:
- Tradies who were told get a jab by week's end or be out of work.
- Folks who hate this shit and are dressing as tradies in solidarity to protest.
- Extremists who are using this as an opportunity. (Think Oz Antifa.)
The proportion of these 3 groups varies according to your news service of choice. Pro-government agencies for example are saying group 2 is really just group 3 in larger numbers--group 1 hardly exists. Anti-government are all focused on groups 1 and 2, and group 3 doesn't exist.
The truth is in the middle somewhere.
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There are at least 3 groups:
- Tradies who were told get a jab by week's end or be out of work.
- Folks who hate this shit and are dressing as tradies in solidarity to protest.
- Extremists who are using this as an opportunity. (Think Oz Antifa.)
The proportion of these 3 groups varies according to your news service of choice. Pro-government agencies for example are saying group 2 is really just group 3 in larger numbers--group 1 hardly exists. Anti-government are all focused on groups 1 and 2, and group 3 doesn't exist.
The truth is in the middle somewhere.
@aqua-letifer said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
There are at least 3 groups:
- Tradies who were told get a jab by week's end or be out of work.
- Folks who hate this shit and are dressing as tradies in solidarity to protest.
- Extremists who are using this as an opportunity. (Think Oz Antifa.)
The proportion of these 3 groups varies according to your news service of choice. Pro-government agencies for example are saying group 2 is really just group 3 in larger numbers--group 1 hardly exists. Anti-government are all focused on groups 1 and 2, and group 3 doesn't exist.
The truth is in the middle somewhere.
Why the extreme fear down there? To the point of isolating a country, such as New Zealand.
It's a virus. It's coming. You will not keep it out. And if Israel is any indication, you may can keep people from dying with a vaccination, but you can't keep them out of the hospital.
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@aqua-letifer said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
There are at least 3 groups:
- Tradies who were told get a jab by week's end or be out of work.
- Folks who hate this shit and are dressing as tradies in solidarity to protest.
- Extremists who are using this as an opportunity. (Think Oz Antifa.)
The proportion of these 3 groups varies according to your news service of choice. Pro-government agencies for example are saying group 2 is really just group 3 in larger numbers--group 1 hardly exists. Anti-government are all focused on groups 1 and 2, and group 3 doesn't exist.
The truth is in the middle somewhere.
Why the extreme fear down there? To the point of isolating a country, such as New Zealand.
It's a virus. It's coming. You will not keep it out. And if Israel is any indication, you may can keep people from dying with a vaccination, but you can't keep them out of the hospital.
@jolly said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
Why the extreme fear down there? To the point of isolating a country, such as New Zealand.
It's a virus. It's coming. You will not keep it out. And if Israel is any indication, you may can keep people from dying with a vaccination, but you can't keep them out of the hospital.Part of it is something you can only understand if you check your mental model of the world at the door for a second.
This is the same country that sprayed down the seats of every passenger on the plane I took to get there to kill any invasive spores or bugs. Every day, every plane, every seat. They're more sensitive to foreign organisms and it's not completely without reason. As an island nation, their ecosystem has been hit hard by things that were brought in and don't belong.
That's part of the story. Also, they're more socialist (in the scando sense) than us and this part is just a guess, but there might be some hubris at play: we're small, we're an island, we can keep this out completely if we just hit it hard.
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@aqua-letifer said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
As an island nation, their ecosystem has been hit hard by things that were brought in and don't belong.
Like English criminals?
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I think their blood is running to their heads because they are upside down, being Southern Hemisphere and all hat
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All this happened close to a week ago.
Like all mobs, the rabble needs to be controlled and if necessary arrested.
Mob lives don't matter when they are breaking the law.
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All this happened close to a week ago.
Like all mobs, the rabble needs to be controlled and if necessary arrested.
Mob lives don't matter when they are breaking the law.
@renauda said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
All this happened close to a week ago.
Like all mobs, the rabble needs to be controlled and if necessary arrested.
Mob lives don't matter when they are breaking the law.
Sure, but the government shares some of the blame. They're doing nothing to try to prevent unrest, establish mental health services to those who lost their jobs, are isolated, etc. If they're not going to change their policies, they're responsible for taking some reasonable measures to help their citizenry weather what they've enacted.
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@renauda said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
All this happened close to a week ago.
Like all mobs, the rabble needs to be controlled and if necessary arrested.
Mob lives don't matter when they are breaking the law.
Sure, but the government shares some of the blame. They're doing nothing to try to prevent unrest, establish mental health services to those who lost their jobs, are isolated, etc. If they're not going to change their policies, they're responsible for taking some reasonable measures to help their citizenry weather what they've enacted.
As Phibes would say, I was taking the piss in the first part of my post.
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As Phibes would say, I was taking the piss in the first part of my post.
@renauda said in What the HELL is going on in Oz?:
As Phibes would say, I was taking the piss in the first part of my post.
The sarcasm is so thick around here these days it's solidified. Hard to tell sometimes.
