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  • Catseye3C Offline
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    Catseye3
    wrote on last edited by Catseye3
    #10

    You need to look at the poll answerers' veracity also. When they say yes! to violence to stop a speaker, are they telling the truth? Or are they getting off on shocking you or being a smartass?

    Also need to examine the motives (if any) of the developers of the polls. Are they seeking to support a "truth" that they want to be true, or are they genuinely objective? Also how the questions are designed.

    And so on.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • CopperC Offline
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      #11

      When my father went to Boston College, there were no women.

      During my time at BC women became the majority.

      They still are: 7,979 female students and 6,768 male students

      But, this kind of thing is still repeated:

      "Sometimes as a woman it can be hard speaking up in a room of all men."
      – Class of 2021

      The left is winning because they can jam the message down your throat.

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      • Catseye3C Catseye3

        You need to look at the poll answerers' veracity also. When they say yes! to violence to stop a speaker, are they telling the truth? Or are they getting off on shocking you or being a smartass?

        Also need to examine the motives (if any) of the developers of the polls. Are they seeking to support a "truth" that they want to be true, or are they genuinely objective? Also how the questions are designed.

        And so on.

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        Axtremus
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        @catseye3 said in College Rankings:

        You need to look at the poll answerers' veracity also. When they say yes! to violence to stop a speaker, are they telling the truth? Or are they getting off on shocking you or being a smartass?

        Also need to examine the motives (if any) of the developers of the polls. Are they seeking to support a "truth" that they want to be true, or are they genuinely objective? Also how the questions are designed.

        And so on.

        I looked at the survey report. The actual text in the report concerning "use of violence to stop a speech" is as follows:

        How acceptable would you say it is for students to engage in the following action to protest a campus speaker:
        ...
        Q18. Using violence to stop a campus speech?

        • 1% Always acceptable
        • 5% Sometimes acceptable
        • 17% Rarely acceptable
        • 76% Never acceptable
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        • HoraceH Horace

          @lufins-dad said in College Rankings:

          @Jolly What is going on with LSU? Third from the bottom? Wow.

          and 23% support using violence to stop the speaker (up 5 percentage points). Two elite women’s colleges, Wellesley College and Barnard College, top this list, supporting the use of violence at 45% and 43% respectively.

          That’s interesting as well as disturbing.

          Progressive white women dominate our cultural ideas.

          It’s like I’ve had a good point all along.

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          @horace said in College Rankings:

          It’s like I’ve had a good point all along.

          Don’t confuse droning on constantly about an idea with originating the idea.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @Jolly What is going on with LSU? Third from the bottom? Wow.

            and 23% support using violence to stop the speaker (up 5 percentage points). Two elite women’s colleges, Wellesley College and Barnard College, top this list, supporting the use of violence at 45% and 43% respectively.

            That’s interesting as well as disturbing.

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            @lufins-dad said in College Rankings:

            @Jolly What is going on with LSU? Third from the bottom? Wow.

            and 23% support using violence to stop the speaker (up 5 percentage points). Two elite women’s colleges, Wellesley College and Barnard College, top this list, supporting the use of violence at 45% and 43% respectively.

            That’s interesting as well as disturbing.

            Don't know. I'll ask my nephew when I see him.

            Used to have Free Speech Alley. That's where Carville got his start.

            Some memories... https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/anybody-remember-free-speech-alley-at-lsu/94580691/

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @horace said in College Rankings:

              It’s like I’ve had a good point all along.

              Don’t confuse droning on constantly about an idea with originating the idea.

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              @jon-nyc said in College Rankings:

              @horace said in College Rankings:

              It’s like I’ve had a good point all along.

              Don’t confuse droning on constantly about an idea with originating the idea.

              One can drone on about, and independently observe/formulate an idea. As for "originating" an idea, that is an impossibly high bar. Certainly, high enough that a guy like you couldn't possibly see it.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @catseye3 said in College Rankings:

                You need to look at the poll answerers' veracity also. When they say yes! to violence to stop a speaker, are they telling the truth? Or are they getting off on shocking you or being a smartass?

                Also need to examine the motives (if any) of the developers of the polls. Are they seeking to support a "truth" that they want to be true, or are they genuinely objective? Also how the questions are designed.

                And so on.

                I looked at the survey report. The actual text in the report concerning "use of violence to stop a speech" is as follows:

                How acceptable would you say it is for students to engage in the following action to protest a campus speaker:
                ...
                Q18. Using violence to stop a campus speech?

                • 1% Always acceptable
                • 5% Sometimes acceptable
                • 17% Rarely acceptable
                • 76% Never acceptable
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                @axtremus said in College Rankings:

                I looked at the survey report. The actual text in the report concerning "use of violence to stop a speech" is as follows:

                How acceptable would you say it is for students to engage in the following action to protest a campus speaker:
                ...
                Q18. Using violence to stop a campus speech?

                • 1% Always acceptable
                • 5% Sometimes acceptable
                • 17% Rarely acceptable
                • 76% Never acceptable

                1+5+17 = 23, right?

                Rare ≠ Never.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                  Those are some independently formulated ideas, based on independent observations, custom written for our resident objective* thinkers.

                  (Not objectivist - that is the wrong white woman's ideas.)

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                    Those are some independently formulated ideas, based on independent observations, custom written for our resident objective* thinkers.

                    (Not objectivist - that is the wrong white woman's ideas.)

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                    Catseye3
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                    #18

                    @horace said in College Rankings:

                    Righteousness begets violence.

                    I would say it can, but it doesn't necessarily by definition. Although the extremely righteous can invite violence onto their own heads, being as they are exceptionally annoying most of the time, and can drive any otherwise reasonable person to shrieking and bludgeoning and other forms of destruction.

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      @horace said in College Rankings:

                      Righteousness begets violence.

                      I would say it can, but it doesn't necessarily by definition. Although the extremely righteous can invite violence onto their own heads, being as they are exceptionally annoying most of the time, and can drive any otherwise reasonable person to shrieking and bludgeoning and other forms of destruction.

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                      wrote on last edited by
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                      @catseye3 said in College Rankings:

                      @horace said in College Rankings:

                      Righteousness begets violence.

                      I would say it can, but it doesn't necessarily. Although the extremely righteous can invite violence onto their own heads, being as they are exceptionally annoying most of the time, and can drive any otherwise reasonable person to shrieking, bludgeoning and other forms of destruction.

                      I'm sorry but each thread has room for only one person to express independently observed and formulated thoughts. I have already claimed this thread as a venue for my own. Please find another thread to express your ideas, thank you.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                        Those are some independently formulated ideas, based on independent observations, custom written for our resident objective* thinkers.

                        (Not objectivist - that is the wrong white woman's ideas.)

                        jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #20

                        @horace said in College Rankings:

                        Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                        A certain objective* thinker you know has phrased it as "violence is hypermoralism".

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @horace said in College Rankings:

                          Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                          A certain objective* thinker you know has phrased it as "violence is hypermoralism".

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                          @jon-nyc said in College Rankings:

                          @horace said in College Rankings:

                          Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                          A certain objective* thinker you know has phrased it as "violence is hypermoralism".

                          No need for a neologism like "hypermoralism", unless one wants to pose. Righteousness is a fine word, probably better than whatever homebrew definition our objective thinker has in their rather muddy mind.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @jon-nyc said in College Rankings:

                            @horace said in College Rankings:

                            Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                            A certain objective* thinker you know has phrased it as "violence is hypermoralism".

                            No need for a neologism like "hypermoralism", unless one wants to pose. Righteousness is a fine word, probably better than whatever homebrew definition our objective thinker has in their rather muddy mind.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            @horace said in College Rankings:

                            @jon-nyc said in College Rankings:

                            @horace said in College Rankings:

                            Righteousness begets violence. That is its purpose as an emotion, that is why it was selectively advantageous. People need to be sane and civil to form stable societies, but they also need to have a destructive, bloodthirsty mode. That is what righteousness is.

                            A certain objective* thinker you know has phrased it as "violence is hypermoralism".

                            No need for a neologism like "hypermoralism", unless one wants to pose.

                            I even say it in French in my head while writing it.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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