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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
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    #2

    It's very simple - keep them at each others' throats and they'll stay off mine.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      It's very simple - keep them at each others' throats and they'll stay off mine.

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      Catseye3
      wrote on last edited by Catseye3
      #3

      @mik Heh. You think it's simple?

      You have an ornate mind. 🙂

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • MikM Away
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        Mik
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        #4

        Its a very shopworn strategy. It's being used in this country today to great effect by both sides. And, idiots that we are, we're buying it.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Renauda
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          I would treat anything by Engdahl with a high degree of scepticism. He has a rather dodgey reputation. Also, New Eastern Outlook is published by Institute of Oriental Studies a think tank connected to the Russian Academy of Sciences. It is very much a mouthpiece of the Kremlin. The late Evgenny Primakov, former Russian Prime Minister and diplomat and KGB operative was closely associated with the Institute.

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            I would treat anything by Engdahl with a high degree of scepticism. He has a rather dodgey reputation. Also, New Eastern Outlook is published by Institute of Oriental Studies a think tank connected to the Russian Academy of Sciences. It is very much a mouthpiece of the Kremlin. The late Evgenny Primakov, former Russian Prime Minister and diplomat and KGB operative was closely associated with the Institute.

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            Catseye3
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            #6

            @renauda said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

            Thanks, Renauda.

            I would treat anything by Engdahl with a high degree of scepticism.

            Well, hell.

            Is this your polite Canadian way of saying, don't believe a thing he says? More seriously, can you elaborate on why you have trust issues with him? I assume you don't mean that a Russian bias automatically means he's inaccurate? Or is it that he's a propagandist?

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              Renauda
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              #7

              Engdahl was at one time associated with LaRouche publications and more recently with dubious conspiracy theorists such as Alexandr Dugin and Michel Chossudovsky.

              He is also a hack. That Balkanization of the Middle East he refers to has nothing to do with US foreign policy. Nor has it ever. T. E. Lawrence had suggested a redrawing of the Arab borders, with the support of Gertrude Bell and other Arabists, in the early 1920's to the British Foreign Office. Their recommendation was essentially borders that recognized major sectarian and linguistic differences. Everyone, except the French and to a lesser extent, the US - which by then was losing interest because Wilson was dead and a policy of isolationism was setting in- had come to the realization that the borders that arose from the Sykes Picot Treaty and Peace of Versailles were arbitrary and solely in the interests of the Allied victors. Lawrence drew up a map of the Middle East with redefined borders. I would argue that Engdahl has usurped the facts and twisted them into his own odd narrative, which coincidentally, meshes conveniently with current Russian foreign policy in the region.

              Otherwise, I have no problem with him writing for a recognized Russian foreign policy journal.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                Engdahl was at one time associated with LaRouche publications and more recently with dubious conspiracy theorists such as Alexandr Dugin and Michel Chossudovsky.

                He is also a hack. That Balkanization of the Middle East he refers to has nothing to do with US foreign policy. Nor has it ever. T. E. Lawrence had suggested a redrawing of the Arab borders, with the support of Gertrude Bell and other Arabists, in the early 1920's to the British Foreign Office. Their recommendation was essentially borders that recognized major sectarian and linguistic differences. Everyone, except the French and to a lesser extent, the US - which by then was losing interest because Wilson was dead and a policy of isolationism was setting in- had come to the realization that the borders that arose from the Sykes Picot Treaty and Peace of Versailles were arbitrary and solely in the interests of the Allied victors. Lawrence drew up a map of the Middle East with redefined borders. I would argue that Engdahl has usurped the facts and twisted them into his own odd narrative, which coincidentally, meshes conveniently with current Russian foreign policy in the region.

                Otherwise, I have no problem with him writing for a recognized Russian foreign policy journal.

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                Catseye3
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                #8

                @renauda said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                Thanks very much for this clarification. It's much appreciated.

                I would argue that Engdahl has usurped the facts and twisted it into his own odd narrative, which coincidentally, meshes conveniently with current Russian foreign policy in the region.

                The question of whether this is in fact what he was doing was forming in my head as I redd your words: Whether he laid down the facts accurately but misapplied motives, influences and consequences to the world, so that the reader is convinced as Engdahl desires him to be convinced.

                Of course, this usurpation renders his work useless.

                Thinkers/writers like this are so dangerous to the uninformed mind. He seemed so plausible!

                Thanks again, Renauda.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  Larry
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                  #9

                  It's READ, dammit!! "REDD" Is not a word!! READ!!!

                  Jesus.

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                  • LarryL Larry

                    It's READ, dammit!! "REDD" Is not a word!! READ!!!

                    Jesus.

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                    George K
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                    @larry said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                    It's READ, dammit!! "REDD" Is not a word!! READ!!!

                    Jesus.

                    It's a Cat's-ism for the forum.

                    Like "Hay (sic), Larry!" in thread titles.

                    You have bigger things to worry about, man.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @larry said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                      It's READ, dammit!! "REDD" Is not a word!! READ!!!

                      Jesus.

                      It's a Cat's-ism for the forum.

                      Like "Hay (sic), Larry!" in thread titles.

                      You have bigger things to worry about, man.

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                      @george-k said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                      @larry said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                      It's READ, dammit!! "REDD" Is not a word!! READ!!!

                      Jesus.

                      You have bigger things to worry about, man.

                      Like what

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                      • LarryL Larry

                        @george-k said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                        @larry said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                        It's READ, dammit!! "REDD" Is not a word!! READ!!!

                        Jesus.

                        You have bigger things to worry about, man.

                        Like what

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                        George K
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                        #12

                        @larry said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                        Like what

                        Health.

                        Family.

                        For a couple...

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                          @renauda said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                          Thanks very much for this clarification. It's much appreciated.

                          I would argue that Engdahl has usurped the facts and twisted it into his own odd narrative, which coincidentally, meshes conveniently with current Russian foreign policy in the region.

                          The question of whether this is in fact what he was doing was forming in my head as I redd your words: Whether he laid down the facts accurately but misapplied motives, influences and consequences to the world, so that the reader is convinced as Engdahl desires him to be convinced.

                          Of course, this usurpation renders his work useless.

                          Thinkers/writers like this are so dangerous to the uninformed mind. He seemed so plausible!

                          Thanks again, Renauda.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @catseye3 said in More on Biden/Afghanistan:

                          Thinkers/writers like this are so dangerous to the uninformed mind. He seemed so plausible!

                          Of course but Russian foreign policy countering and offseting US influence in the Middle East is not implausible but very real.

                          Elbows up!

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