Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles
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Let's put a huge tax on wine to cover the cost of liver disease.
Let's put a huge tax on being born to cover the cost of death.
wrote on 19 Sept 2021, 16:00 last edited by@copper said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Let's put a huge tax on wine to cover the cost of liver disease.
Let's put a huge tax on being born to cover the cost of death.
If Covid didn’t have such a huge impact on supply chains and the world economies I would agree with you. The economics of each scenario is amazingly different. I notice you didn’t pick opioids.
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There is a solution now so its the patient’s choice.
The good news is I don’t see an outcry objecting to it.
wrote on 19 Sept 2021, 16:02 last edited by@loki said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
There is a solution now so its the patient’s choice.
The good news is I don’t see an outcry objecting to it.
Since it is entirely the patient's choice, how about the 10% Pfizer does not protect? What about the Delta breakthrough cases?
What about Mu, which laughs at the current vaccines?
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@loki said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
There is a solution now so its the patient’s choice.
The good news is I don’t see an outcry objecting to it.
Since it is entirely the patient's choice, how about the 10% Pfizer does not protect? What about the Delta breakthrough cases?
What about Mu, which laughs at the current vaccines?
wrote on 19 Sept 2021, 16:28 last edited by@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
What about Mu, which laughs at the current vaccines?
Highly unlikely it'll surpass Delta as the main variant.
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wrote on 19 Sept 2021, 16:39 last edited by
I don't put anything past a mutating virus.
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@loki said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
There is a solution now so its the patient’s choice.
The good news is I don’t see an outcry objecting to it.
Since it is entirely the patient's choice, how about the 10% Pfizer does not protect? What about the Delta breakthrough cases?
What about Mu, which laughs at the current vaccines?
wrote on 19 Sept 2021, 17:05 last edited by Loki@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
@loki said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
There is a solution now so its the patient’s choice.
The good news is I don’t see an outcry objecting to it.
Since it is entirely the patient's choice, how about the 10% Pfizer does not protect? What about the Delta breakthrough cases?
What about Mu, which laughs at the current vaccines?
What about the 2000 a day that are dying that don’t need to while you throw out all your hypotheticals?
2000 a day. Say it outloud, tell me why those deaths are worth it in your mental model.
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wrote on 19 Sept 2021, 17:40 last edited by Jolly
Are you lumping in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?
You know what? I'm taking care of these type patients. You don't. I work with a lot of healthcare professionals that aren't vaxxed. If it doesn't bother them, it doesn't bother me.
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We had to change the definition of vaccine, to cover COVID vaccines. They really aren't, not in the traditional sense in that they prevent disease.
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Why should you be afraid of the unvaxxed? You've taken the vaccine. You're safe. Or are you? Or do you just live in perpetual fear? Life is too short for irrational fear.
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In the case of a vaccination that isn't a vaccination, if people choose to not take the vaccine or if they have had the disease and have natural immunity, I feel they should have the freedom to make their own decisions. I'm not ready for your brand of facism.
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wrote on 19 Sept 2021, 20:11 last edited by
@loki said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
What about the 2000 a day that are dying
I thought the vaccine and mask took care of that.
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wrote on 20 Sept 2021, 03:06 last edited by
I linked an FDA video today. If you listen to the folks on the feed (yeah, I know it's several hours long), you'll find them talking about natural immunity and how we have not considered it as we should.
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I linked an FDA video today. If you listen to the folks on the feed (yeah, I know it's several hours long), you'll find them talking about natural immunity and how we have not considered it as we should.
wrote on 20 Sept 2021, 14:12 last edited by Copper@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
natural immunity and how we have not considered it as we should
Yes, this is really strange
It seems to be a political move, but neither "side" seems to be pro or con, it is just ignored.
I guess this is, in part, because there are limited statistics. There are certainly a lot of people who were asymptomatic who developed immunity. We don't know how many, but why doesn't someone just make up a number like happens with all the other covid stats?
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wrote on 20 Sept 2021, 15:00 last edited by
Antibody levels.
We aren't utilizing the test like we should. I know antibody levels don't always equate to immunity levels, but they do give us some ballpark figures. I know several healthcare professionals who have had COVID, that check their antibody levels every thirty days. They're not going to vaccinate until those levels drop significantly.
Instead of one-size-fits-all medicine, why don't we consider things like antibody levels and natural immunity?
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Antibody levels.
We aren't utilizing the test like we should. I know antibody levels don't always equate to immunity levels, but they do give us some ballpark figures. I know several healthcare professionals who have had COVID, that check their antibody levels every thirty days. They're not going to vaccinate until those levels drop significantly.
Instead of one-size-fits-all medicine, why don't we consider things like antibody levels and natural immunity?
wrote on 20 Sept 2021, 17:56 last edited by@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Antibody levels.
We aren't utilizing the test like we should. I know antibody levels don't always equate to immunity levels, but they do give us some ballpark figures. I know several healthcare professionals who have had COVID, that check their antibody levels every thirty days. They're not going to vaccinate until those levels drop significantly.
Instead of one-size-fits-all medicine, why don't we consider things like antibody levels and natural immunity?
Do you see the general public checking their antibody levels every thirty days? How much would that cost and is that even feasible given the size of the US population and the testing capacity we have (or can reasonably scale up) today? Would be more or less antithetical to freedom/liberty to get one to two jabs a year for vaccination or to get 12 or more needle sticks a year to check antibody levels every 30 days?
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@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Antibody levels.
We aren't utilizing the test like we should. I know antibody levels don't always equate to immunity levels, but they do give us some ballpark figures. I know several healthcare professionals who have had COVID, that check their antibody levels every thirty days. They're not going to vaccinate until those levels drop significantly.
Instead of one-size-fits-all medicine, why don't we consider things like antibody levels and natural immunity?
Do you see the general public checking their antibody levels every thirty days? How much would that cost and is that even feasible given the size of the US population and the testing capacity we have (or can reasonably scale up) today? Would be more or less antithetical to freedom/liberty to get one to two jabs a year for vaccination or to get 12 or more needle sticks a year to check antibody levels every 30 days?
wrote on 20 Sept 2021, 22:15 last edited by@axtremus said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Antibody levels.
We aren't utilizing the test like we should. I know antibody levels don't always equate to immunity levels, but they do give us some ballpark figures. I know several healthcare professionals who have had COVID, that check their antibody levels every thirty days. They're not going to vaccinate until those levels drop significantly.
Instead of one-size-fits-all medicine, why don't we consider things like antibody levels and natural immunity?
Do you see the general public checking their antibody levels every thirty days? How much would that cost and is that even feasible given the size of the US population and the testing capacity we have (or can reasonably scale up) today? Would be more or less antithetical to freedom/liberty to get one to two jabs a year for vaccination or to get 12 or more needle sticks a year to check antibody levels every 30 days?
Wouldn't have to do it every 90 days. Do the studies and determine the appropriate times.
Can we scale up? Helluva lot easier than the PCR test.
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@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Antibody levels.
We aren't utilizing the test like we should. I know antibody levels don't always equate to immunity levels, but they do give us some ballpark figures. I know several healthcare professionals who have had COVID, that check their antibody levels every thirty days. They're not going to vaccinate until those levels drop significantly.
Instead of one-size-fits-all medicine, why don't we consider things like antibody levels and natural immunity?
Do you see the general public checking their antibody levels every thirty days? How much would that cost and is that even feasible given the size of the US population and the testing capacity we have (or can reasonably scale up) today? Would be more or less antithetical to freedom/liberty to get one to two jabs a year for vaccination or to get 12 or more needle sticks a year to check antibody levels every 30 days?
wrote on 21 Sept 2021, 01:24 last edited by@axtremus said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Do you see the general public checking their antibody levels every thirty days?
Sure, Emmy celebs do it every 48 hours.
Additionally, the department was told that all attendees tested negative for COVID-19 within 48 hours of the event. Similarly, production crews were required to be vaccinated or test negative for the virus twice per week.
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wrote on 21 Sept 2021, 01:33 last edited by
Does anybody really have an issue with insurers no longer waiving the copays for COVID related treatment? I don’t.
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wrote on 21 Sept 2021, 01:43 last edited by
Nahh. Had to happens sometime.
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Does anybody really have an issue with insurers no longer waiving the copays for COVID related treatment? I don’t.
wrote on 21 Sept 2021, 01:59 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Does anybody really have an issue with insurers no longer waiving the copays for COVID related treatment? I don’t.
You have to understand, The Holy Compost ran a story and acolyte Ax was smitten by the Word.
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Does anybody really have an issue with insurers no longer waiving the copays for COVID related treatment? I don’t.
wrote on 21 Sept 2021, 14:53 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
Does anybody really have an issue with insurers no longer waiving the copays for COVID related treatment? I don’t.
Why did they wave them in the first place?
Was it a mistake or has the environment changed?
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wrote on 21 Sept 2021, 15:01 last edited by
You can be in crisis mode for only so long. I don't think we are there anymore.
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Are you lumping in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?
You know what? I'm taking care of these type patients. You don't. I work with a lot of healthcare professionals that aren't vaxxed. If it doesn't bother them, it doesn't bother me.
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We had to change the definition of vaccine, to cover COVID vaccines. They really aren't, not in the traditional sense in that they prevent disease.
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Why should you be afraid of the unvaxxed? You've taken the vaccine. You're safe. Or are you? Or do you just live in perpetual fear? Life is too short for irrational fear.
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In the case of a vaccination that isn't a vaccination, if people choose to not take the vaccine or if they have had the disease and have natural immunity, I feel they should have the freedom to make their own decisions. I'm not ready for your brand of facism.
wrote on 23 Sept 2021, 23:09 last edited by Renauda@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
In the case of a vaccination that isn't a vaccination, if people choose to not take the vaccine or if they have had the disease and have natural immunity, I feel they should have the freedom to make their own decisions.
So why did you get vaccinated since you had already acquired natural immunity and you don't consider the vaccine is really a vaccine?
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@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
In the case of a vaccination that isn't a vaccination, if people choose to not take the vaccine or if they have had the disease and have natural immunity, I feel they should have the freedom to make their own decisions.
So why did you get vaccinated since you had already acquired natural immunity and you don't consider the vaccine is really a vaccine?
wrote on 24 Sept 2021, 00:01 last edited by@renauda said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
@jolly said in Insurers stopped waiving COVID-19 co-pays and deductibles:
In the case of a vaccination that isn't a vaccination, if people choose to not take the vaccine or if they have had the disease and have natural immunity, I feel they should have the freedom to make their own decisions.
So why did you get vaccinated since you had already acquired natural immunity and you don't consider the vaccine is really a vaccine?
Because I run the antibody levels, Mortimer, so I knew pretty much where I stood. I wanted to jack them a little higher, because while many of you wonder if you are exposed, I'm routinely exposed to COVID.