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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    A bit of a screed, but the essential question is valid...Did we shut down too much of the economy for too little medical gain?

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/did_trump_ruin_our_economy_for_nothing.html

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • AxtremusA Away
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      Axtremus
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      It is an important question to ask. That question had already been asked many times over before this author asks it. Yet this author has no answer, gives no alternative, and proposes no analytical framework to get to an answer. All that’s there is screed.

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        This is a question for which we will never know the answer.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          It is an important question to ask. That question had already been asked many times over before this author asks it. Yet this author has no answer, gives no alternative, and proposes no analytical framework to get to an answer. All that’s there is screed.

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          @Axtremus said in Purely Political:

          It is an important question to ask. That question had already been asked many times over before this author asks it. Yet this author has no answer, gives no alternative, and proposes no analytical framework to get to an answer. All that’s there is screed.

          Read the essay carefully. I think you will find the author was quite content with social distancing in many instances, i.e. seating people did feet or more from each other in a restaurant.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            To rely on the Diamond Princess (with an out of date death number no less) at this point is beyond asinine.

            I get that in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl you might spend a lot of time looking at how the teams match up on paper. But when it’s the middle of the third quarter you don’t look at the paper match anymore. You look at how the teams are actually playing.

            50k deaths if we had done nothing. Let see how well that ages.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • KlausK Offline
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              Klaus
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              Today there's an article in the NZZ in which an economist argues that every life-year saved by the quarantine measures costs around 50 million dollars...

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              • KlausK Klaus

                Today there's an article in the NZZ in which an economist argues that every life-year saved by the quarantine measures costs around 50 million dollars...

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                @Klaus said in Purely Political:

                Today there's an article in the NZZ in which an economist argues that every life-year saved by the quarantine measures costs around 50 million dollars...

                How can that possibly be true when for a great many of us, it's not costing any money at all?

                Please love yourself.

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                  Loki
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                  The problem with most people is they go in with a thesis and game plan for political purposes rather than let the data speak. All narratives will fall apart as they are bound to a thesis and past data and as we see new data coming in changes the situation on the ground quite remarkably.

                  Must be agile in your arguments. For example Cuomo is the 30k vent man and implored the govt to repurpose GM production via DPA!. We will see if that was wise soon enough.

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                    Yeah, just think about how horrible it would be if we get through all this, and instead of it costing us 5 trillion, it cost us 5.001 trillion and we had a few thousand more ventilators then we really needed.

                    Please, Mr. Trump, save us from that awful fate.

                    And Loki - thank you for keeping laser focused on this issue for us.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      Today there's an article in the NZZ in which an economist argues that every life-year saved by the quarantine measures costs around 50 million dollars...

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                      @Klaus said in Purely Political:

                      Today there's an article in the NZZ in which an economist argues that every life-year saved by the quarantine measures costs around 50 million dollars...

                      Great number

                      Now we just have to know what is the value of a year of life in order to compute our gain or loss.

                      I suspect a year of life is worth a lot less than $50 million.

                      Just a gut feel, guess.

                      I'm sure the death panels will give us a more accurate number.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Yeah, just think about how horrible it would be if we get through all this, and instead of it costing us 5 trillion, it cost us 5.001 trillion and we had a few thousand more ventilators then we really needed.

                        Please, Mr. Trump, save us from that awful fate.

                        And Loki - thank you for keeping laser focused on this issue for us.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Purely Political:

                        Yeah, just think about how horrible it would be if we get through all this, and instead of it costing us 5 trillion, it cost us 5.001 trillion and we had a few thousand more ventilators then we really needed.

                        Please, Mr. Trump, save us from that awful fate.

                        And Loki - thank you for keeping laser focused on this issue for us.

                        It wasn’t a cost of the vents issue. It was many issues, state vs fed, cuomo being the front man to take on Trump, blah blah blah but I am not going to take the time to type it all out.

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