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Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #27

    Just win, baby.

    That covers it.

    The vax stuff is press hoo-doo.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @loki said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @lufins-dad said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @loki said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @lufins-dad said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @jolly said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      More background...

      https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/04/rob-ninkovich-mac-jones-was-helping-cam-newton-learn-the-playbook/

      See? The Unvaccinated are idiots...

      Not getting your point. From the article

      Fewer than two weeks ago, however, Newton was the starter — according to coach Bill Belichick. Jones took charge after Newton missed five days due to a COVID “misunderstanding.” Maybe Jones would have supplanted Newton sooner or later. Newton’s absence surely helped it happen sooner.

      Cognitive issues? We should probably report that to VAERS.

      Go back and read the link I posted and read Belichek’s words. He was pissed this thing was turned into a vaccination issue and pointedly talked about the disruptions caused by the vaccinated individuals that have tested positive. If Cam was lighting it up do you honestly believe he would have been let go?

      10-15% of the Patriots are unvaccinated and still made the team.

      Ok ability to be at preseasonpractices and assurance could play in games was not a precipitating factor. You can’t make this up.

      There is at least one other player on the team that missed time for protocols and is still there…Why can’t you take Belichek at his word?

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      Loki
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      #28

      @lufins-dad said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @loki said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @lufins-dad said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @loki said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @lufins-dad said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      @jolly said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

      More background...

      https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/04/rob-ninkovich-mac-jones-was-helping-cam-newton-learn-the-playbook/

      See? The Unvaccinated are idiots...

      Not getting your point. From the article

      Fewer than two weeks ago, however, Newton was the starter — according to coach Bill Belichick. Jones took charge after Newton missed five days due to a COVID “misunderstanding.” Maybe Jones would have supplanted Newton sooner or later. Newton’s absence surely helped it happen sooner.

      Cognitive issues? We should probably report that to VAERS.

      Go back and read the link I posted and read Belichek’s words. He was pissed this thing was turned into a vaccination issue and pointedly talked about the disruptions caused by the vaccinated individuals that have tested positive. If Cam was lighting it up do you honestly believe he would have been let go?

      10-15% of the Patriots are unvaccinated and still made the team.

      Ok ability to be at preseasonpractices and assurance could play in games was not a precipitating factor. You can’t make this up.

      There is at least one other player on the team that missed time for protocols and is still there…Why can’t you take Belichek at his word?

      I am taking the sum total of what I have heard in football over the decades and applied that to Cam’s case. It’s the most plausible but of course it could be different this time, there is a first for everything. So maybe.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
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        #29

        Last time anybody trusted a white male from New England, they were chained in the cargo hold of a ship for a month's journey and then sold as a slave.

        NEVER again. EVER.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • L Offline
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          Loki
          wrote on last edited by
          #30

          To clarify my thoughts on Cam I am only arguing over the timing. His vax status likely accelerated what was inevitable but a great game 1 by Cam would have complicated that.

          Why accelerated you ask? A mere release without any other variable would invite a raft of media I don’t think Belichick would have imposed on himself.

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          • L Loki

            To clarify my thoughts on Cam I am only arguing over the timing. His vax status likely accelerated what was inevitable but a great game 1 by Cam would have complicated that.

            Why accelerated you ask? A mere release without any other variable would invite a raft of media I don’t think Belichick would have imposed on himself.

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            #31

            @loki said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

            To clarify my thoughts on Cam I am only arguing over the timing. His vax status likely accelerated what was inevitable but a great game 1 by Cam would have complicated that.

            Why accelerated you ask? A mere release without any other variable would invite a raft of media I don’t think Belichick would have imposed on himself.

            In fact it's entirely within reason to think Cam was released based on his ability to win, as compared to his replacement. Historically, winning is the thing, I think we can all agree on that, and I think we can all even agree that that's what Belichik cares about. It's all he cares about. A vaccine-free Cam would be on the team.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • L Loki

              To clarify my thoughts on Cam I am only arguing over the timing. His vax status likely accelerated what was inevitable but a great game 1 by Cam would have complicated that.

              Why accelerated you ask? A mere release without any other variable would invite a raft of media I don’t think Belichick would have imposed on himself.

              JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by Jolly
              #32

              @loki said in Cam Newton released from Patriots due to Vax status:

              To clarify my thoughts on Cam I am only arguing over the timing. His vax status likely accelerated what was inevitable but a great game 1 by Cam would have complicated that.

              Why accelerated you ask? A mere release without any other variable would invite a raft of media I don’t think Belichick would have imposed on himself.

              If Cam would have had a great game in the beginning of preseason, he'd be the starting QB for the Patriots this weekend, regardless of vaccination status.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #33

                I suppose Cam was benched in October and December last year because he wasn’t vaccinated?

                The Brad

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                • L Offline
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                  Loki
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                  #34

                  Let’s start looking at the articles written about Cam by sports writers just before he was let go for hints.

                  Here’s a couple for starters.

                  https://chowderandchampions.com/2021/08/22/new-england-patriots-team-good-problem-two-top-quarterbacks/

                  https://www.essentiallysports.com/nfl-news-new-england-patriots-patriots-announce-their-starting-qb-cam-newton/

                  https://www.patspulpit.com/new-england-patriots-social-media-video-podcasts/2021/8/18/22629900/drew-bledsoe-cam-newton-patriots-starting-quarterback-2021-nfl-season

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                  • L Loki

                    Let’s start looking at the articles written about Cam by sports writers just before he was let go for hints.

                    Here’s a couple for starters.

                    https://chowderandchampions.com/2021/08/22/new-england-patriots-team-good-problem-two-top-quarterbacks/

                    https://www.essentiallysports.com/nfl-news-new-england-patriots-patriots-announce-their-starting-qb-cam-newton/

                    https://www.patspulpit.com/new-england-patriots-social-media-video-podcasts/2021/8/18/22629900/drew-bledsoe-cam-newton-patriots-starting-quarterback-2021-nfl-season

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #35

                    @loki

                    From the first article:

                    “He has been highly touted in this space for his heroic 2020 season. He deserves top accolades for what he did last season. It was a Promethean effort worthy of praise, not disparagement”

                    BWAHAHAHAHA!

                    He was atrocious last year. As I said, he was benched twice in games. He had a QBR of 39. He threw more interceptions than touchdowns and this fansite is saying he was heroic…

                    Players benched twice in game don’t come back the next year.

                    The Brad

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                    • Catseye3C Offline
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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #36

                      Responding to the first of the two articles Loki posted, it seemed like totally a PR piece on Cam. Blithe disregard of any possible clash between who would start, Cam or Mac -- when the gossip has it that Mac will start.

                      So this guy doesn't seem very credible.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • L Offline
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                        Loki
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #37

                        Hey you miss some crucial practices when a young person is hot after your job and you don’t think maybe that was a difference maker? Ok. Carry on.

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                        • Catseye3C Offline
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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on last edited by Catseye3
                          #38

                          Well, I did some Googling briefly and re-redd this thread, and my considered opinion is this: There's lots more to the story that the PTB are keeping under wraps. We just don't know enough.

                          If I had to guess . . . eh, I can't even guess. I do recall somebody somewhere saying that in his opinion Cam had never "gelled" with the Pats. If true, that could mean a world of things. Including not getting along with Belichick, maybe?

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by Jolly
                            #39

                            I love it when people have strong opinions about something and try to project those opinions onto another, unrelated situation.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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