Vaccine Hesitancy
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NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
SEP 02, 2021“Since the beginning of May, we’ve received reports of 11 people being exposed to ivermectin,” said Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information. “Most developed relatively minor symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and dizziness, though there’s the potential for more serious effects including low blood pressure and seizures with an overdose, as well as interactions with medications such as blood thinners.”
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And the doc that Rolling Stone cites?
From ZeroHedge (Yeah, I know)
"McElyea is also listed as working at Integris Grove Hospital in Grove, OK as a general family practitioner - not in the ER. A phone call to them provided no insight as to any ivermectin overdoses, however the gentleman who answered the phone sounded quite amused. What's more, Grove, OK - with a population of 7,129, had just 14 aggravated assaults in all of 2019 according to the FBI's latest data. We somehow doubt that 'gunshot victims were lining up outside the ER,' while just 11 ivermectin related hospital cases have been reported in the entire state since the beginning of May."
Meanwhile, lemming-like other places pick up the Rolling Stone story and run with it, apparently failing to do any independent verification:
The Independent: https://archive.is/DhqhZ
The Guardian: https://archive.is/iIYB7
And US News about the doc: https://archive.is/EOw2E
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Did they learn their lesson on that rape story a few years ago?
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
@Aqua-Letifer in all fairness, you have a background in the sciences and biological sciences that most people don't and can read into these studies more than most people can. Even so, unless you actually invented your own vaccine and tested it yourself, you are still having to trust what other people are telling you. What they tell you makes sense to you in your knowledge of these things, but so would the science behind the failed vaccines that have disappeared. Would you admit that?
So for all of us, it comes down to trust. Even if you understand the science at very advanced levels, you have to trust the numbers being provided by others. You have to trust their tests, and you have to trust their judgement. This has been a very difficult time to trust.
I appreciate that, but it's not a limited background in science that's causing the problem. And yes, the current raft of misinformation isn't making it easier. But that's not the problem, either. There are many people in rural communities getting vaccinated in secret so that their neighbors don't find out. Misinformation doesn't explain that. Lack of critical thinking does.
Dave thinks like I do. He distrusts vaccines. Nobody like Dave or anyone else I identify with likes Fauci, they think he's a charlatan and a liar. Fauci likes vaccines. Therefore, I distrust vaccines. That's really the problem—people have lost the ability to detach their identity from the data they interact with. That's how you get where we're at now. We've tribalized everything.
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This Twatter thread aggregates some of the parroting of the patently false story from Rolling Stone:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1434591443855753220.html
Many of these are rando twitteridiots. Many are not:
- Rachel Maddow
- Lauren Peikoff (executive producer MSNBC)
- The Daily Mail
- Newsweek
- New York Daily News
- The Hill
In the bottom of the link, he makes some good points:
It should go without saying, but inventing a narrative out of thin air simply because it confirms your priors is not going to help rebuild trust in the media.
It would’ve taken a single phone call to shoot this story down.
Why didn’t that happen?
And the same people who purport to be concerned about misinformation and how it spreads on platforms like Twitter will surely be silent on this.Where’s the nashing of teeth from the “disinformation” reporters? Where are the Twitter content warnings? Where’s the outrage?
You won’t hear any. Because this is the acceptable type of political lie.And none of these people or outlets will learn anything. They’ll keep doing this.
Because they care more about scoring cheap dunks on their opponents than getting the truth.
For new folks/those asking, I don’t have anything to sell or subscribe to.Did Twitter suspend any of these accounts because of "False or misleading information?"
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Link to video
Back when journalists were journalists, and not paid for sycophants of corporate interests and part of the government propaganda machine.
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The problem is numbers. As the story points out, neurological complications from vaccinations occur. The scandal, in my opinion, is the lack of communication about it, and the push for vaccinations by using celebrity names (MTM, eg). From what I gathered, the risk of the flu in 1976, in terms of morbidity and mortality, was overstated, and of Guillan-Barre' was understated.
With the SARS-CoV-2 virus, it's different. The M&M of COVID is vastly greater than the swine flu.
It becomes a risk/benefit game, and the ratio in 1976 was very different from what it is today.
Also, the incidence of GBS can be related to the flu itself, rather than the vaccine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6985921/
Incidence of GBS after influenza vaccination was first reported in 1976 during a national vaccination program against pandemic swine flu in the United States.[50, 51] About 40 million people were vaccinated with the influenza A vaccine (influenza A vaccine in New Jersey) during the pandemic, and subsequently an eight-times increase in GBS incidence was observed (especially at 2–3 weeks or even more after vaccination).[52] Since then, many researches evaluated the risk of GBS after receiving the seasonal and pandemic inactivated influenza vaccine. An overview conducted on 39 studies reported that the relative risk of GBS after pandemic influenza vaccination was higher than that after seasonal influenza vaccination, with an overall relative risk for the incidence of GBS after influenza vaccination was 1.4 (95% CI: 1.2–1.7).[4] Other studies investigating the association between GBS and seasonal influenza vaccines after 1976 indicated the risk as very minimal with less than one case per million.[53] Risk of GBS is maximum in the first 2–3 weeks post vaccination, but in most cases the estimated risk was one to two cases per million vaccinations.[54, 55] Furthermore, the biologic mechanism for GBS following influenza vaccine may involve the synergistic effects of endotoxins and vaccine induced autoimmunity. Following the H1N1 influenza pandemic in 2009 and the administration of the pH1N1 monovalent vaccine due to its similarity to the H1N1 monovalent vaccine in 1976, there were concerns about the probability of GBS. However, the studies that investigated this issue estimated the attributable risk to be about one to five per million doses of vaccination. In a meta-analysis conducted following the 2009 H1N1 monovalent influenza vaccination program (the largest nationwide vaccination program in the United States), the incidence of GBS was reported as 1.6 cases per million vaccinated people, which is approximately equal to the attributable risk reported for the seasonal influenza vaccination. Therefore, there is currently no consensus on the prohibition of the administration of the influenza vaccine. Nonetheless, it was recommended that caution should be taken in the revaccination of persons who have developed GBS within 6 weeks after receiving the influenza vaccine.
Even before the term “Guillain–Barré syndrome” was used in the clinical medicine, cases of infectious polyneuritis have been reported during influenza pandemic in the early twentieth century. About two-thirds of the influenza-infected patients initially present respiratory or gastrointestinal tract infections. Two studies in England (2007 and 2009) reported a strong association between influenza infection and GBS, with GBS occurring within 3 months after the influenza-like illness (ILI).[23] In further strengthening the association of influenza infection to GBS, another study conducted on GBS patients confirmed a prior influenza infection.[56] The relative incidence of GBS after influenza was highest in the first week after infection and decreased during the next 6 weeks. The estimated risk of GBS after influenza was reported as 17.2 cases per 1 million patients hospitalized with influenza.[57] A study in Norway during the 2009 pandemic (H1N1) influenza showed a much higher GBS in influenza patients with a relative risk of 4.89 (95% CI: 1.7–20.36). The risk of incidence of GBS post influenza infection was also higher than the relative risk of 1.1 (95% CI: 0.51–2.43) reported for pH1N1 vaccination.[58]
According to several studies, there has been no proven association between the incidence of GBS and influenza vaccination with the exception of 1976 H1N1 influenza vaccination campaign in New Jersey.[59] In fact 1976 H1N1 influenza vaccine in New Jersey is the only proven association of GBS and influenza vaccination. A study that analyzed few cases of GBS or Miller Fisher syndrome reported that the increase in the incidence of GBS syndrome was unlikely to occur over 40 days after vaccination.[60] These studies suggest that the proven association between influenza vaccines and GBS is very little, and most often occurs in the case of pandemic vaccines. It seems that no prohibition can be considered for administration of influenza vaccine, except in persons who have had a history of GBS within 6 weeks after vaccination. On the other hand, some studies have noted seasonal winter patterns for GBS incidence.[61] A study that examined the seasonal pattern of GBS for the year 2009 reported that an increase in vaccination coverage from 19.7% to 35.5% resulted in no similar increase in GBS cases.[62] Some other studies revealed that influenza cases increased during 2004–2005 exactly overlapping with the wave of hospitalization due to GBS during the same period.[63] These findings suggest a significant association between hospitalization due to GBS and influenza cases, but the coverage of influenza vaccine did not significantly affect the pattern of GBS incidence in the general population.
Given the very strong association between influenza infection and the incidence of GBS, and considering the requirement of vaccination in the prevention of influenza, we should not deprive the general population from getting vaccinated on the grounds of risk for GBS due to vaccination. It is to be noted that preventing the complications of influenza is one of the important benefits of the influenza vaccine. In fact, the complication of GBS due to vaccination is a rare event and thus poses very minimal risk. Therefore educational programs are required to erase this fear from the general public opinion.
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More: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7097920/
JAMA. 1982 Aug 13;248(6):698-700.
Guillain-Barré syndrome in the United States, 1979-1980 and 1980-1981. Lack of an association with influenza vaccinationJ E Kaplan, P Katona, E S Hurwitz, L B Schonberger
PMID: 7097920Abstract
An ongoing surveillance program was intensified during the 1979-1980 and the 1980-1981 influenza seasons to determine whether an increased risk of acquiring Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) within eight weeks after influenza vaccination existed for adults in the United States who received influenza vaccine, when compared with adult who had not been vaccinated recently. Five hundred twenty-eight cases of GBS with onset between Sept 1 and March 31, including seven following recent vaccination, were reported by participating neurologists in 1979-1980; 459 cases, including 12 following recent vaccination, were reported in 1980-1981. The relative risk of acquiring GBS following influenza vaccination--0.6 in 1979-1980 and 1.4 in 1980-1981--was not significantly different from 1.0 in either season. These results suggest that there was no increased risk of acquiring GBS associated with the influenza vaccines administered during these seasons and that the causative "trigger agent" in the A/New Jersey (swine) influenza vaccine administered in 1976 has not been present in subsequent influenza vaccine preparations.
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@ivorythumper said in Vaccine Hesitancy:
Back when journalists were journalists, and not paid for sycophants of corporate interests and part of the government propaganda machine.
Neither Google nor Facebook nor and msm would allow a video like this to be seen today. Mike Wallace's career would end, immediately.
